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Re: Muslims Oppossed to ISIS ?
Reply #75 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 4:51pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

"I'm gandalf. I'm a moslem. But the tenets and laws and 'ideals' of ISLAM mean nothing to me."

The tenets and laws and ideals of Islam mean a lot to me.

Like "let there be no compulsion in religion" and "By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path."

You'll never see Yadda quote these verses.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #76 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 5:48pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

"By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path."

Correct me if I am wrong but I though Allah was radically unknowable, his ways completely closed to mere human intellect and beyond human comprehension. Which leaves you guys with what Mohammed said and did, according to what Mohammed said Gabriel said to him as a message from Allah who is of course unfathomable. The contradictions of a semi-literate merchant's mind are glaring.

Also, the no compulsion wheeze was superseded (Allah 'misspoke', what?) once Islam was established.

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Reply #77 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 6:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

"I'm gandalf. I'm a moslem. But the tenets and laws and 'ideals' of ISLAM mean nothing to me."

The tenets and laws and ideals of Islam mean a lot to me.

I believe you, gandalf.

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Like "let there be no compulsion in religion" and "By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path."

You'll never see Yadda quote these verses.

"Let there be no compulsion in religion......."

Koran 2:256

The darker interpretation on this 'soft' Koran verse, AND AN 'INTERPRETATION' WHICH MILITANT MOSLEMS ACCEPT AS WHOLLY VALID, IS;

"You can choose conversion, submission, or death.

.....THERE IS NO COMPULSION! ...YOU ARE FREE TO CHOOSE."

AND HERE IS JUST ONE, example of how this 'peaceful' verse has been applied, by moslems who have ability to make their will THE LAW OF ALLAH,

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Iraq -
4 March 2007
Iraq's Mandaeans 'face extinction'

By Angus Crawford
The Sabian Mandaeans - one of the oldest religious groups in the world - are facing extinction, according to its leaders.

They claim that Islamic extremists in Iraq are trying to wipe them out through forced conversions, rape and murder.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6412453.stm

The truth is, that mainstream ISLAM is totally intolerant of disbelief [rejection of ISLAM], in others [when moslems are strong].

And ISLAMIC law teaches that intolerance...

ISLAMIC LAW....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Elsewhere the Koran states,

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;........."
Koran 3:85

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The contents of a verse like Koran 3:85, is hardly indicative of the supposed religious tolerance inherent in ISLAM, which gandalf implies/claims.

"Let there be no compulsion in religion......."
Koran 2:256

??????

It is recorded in ISLAMIC history, how in Mohammed's Meccan period "he was weaker and his followers few, passages of the Koran encouraged peaceful relations and avoidance of conflict"

Koran 2:256 was a 'product' of Mohammed's Meccan period.

But gandalf already KNOWS that!

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Creed of the sword
Mark Durie
September 23, 2006
.....the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh, issued a statement on the official Saudi news service, defending Muslims' divine right to resort to violence: "The spread of Islam has gone through several phases, secret and then public, in Mecca and Medina. God then authorised the faithful to defend themselves and to fight against those fighting them, which amounts to a right legitimised by God. This ... is quite reasonable, and God will not hate it."
Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam.

.......At the beginning, in Mohammed's Meccan period, when he was weaker and his followers few, passages of the Koran encouraged peaceful relations and avoidance of conflict: "Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." (16:125)
Later, after persecution and emigration to Medina in the first year of the Islamic calendar, authority was given to engage in warfare for defensive purposes only: "Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for God does not love transgressors." (2:190)
As the Muslim community grew stronger and conflict with its neighbours did not abate, further revelations expanded the licence for waging war, until in Sura 9, regarded as one of the last chapters to be revealed, it is concluded that war against non-Muslims could be waged more or less at any time and in any place to extend the dominance of Islam.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #78 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 6:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

....and "By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path."

You'll never see Yadda quote these verses.

Yes, gandalf, your friend in the Northern Territory said it all ---------- >

Submitting our will to Allah's will, and submitting to Allah's perfect religion, is the way to achieve 'peace' in the world - according to 'the moslem'.

"....you acquire peace through it."

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"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself,

my community and the rest of the world."

EXAMPLE - moslems promoting ISLAM in Australia.....

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IMAGE....

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

Mr Yunus is a moslem.

Mr Yunus is a follower of ISLAM.

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Darwin's Muslim leaders and NT police discuss hijab harassment and racism at community meeting
105.7 ABC Darwin
By Emilia Terzon

.....Darwin's Islamic community has gathered to address concerns about the harassment of women in religious dress in the Northern Territory.

......
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.....Mr Razi [the event's moderator] said the event helped reinforce the importance of cross-community collaboration to tackle Islamophobia.

......
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.....Mr Razi, an 18 year-old medical student originally born in Saudi Arabia, described his faith as a peaceful religion.

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means submitting your will to God, so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its teachings, I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants, and hence I am at peace with myself, my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimin...

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And what does the creator want ???

TO DISCOVER WHAT THE CREATOR OF ISLAM WANTS, FOLLOW THE LINK ---------- >

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #79 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 6:25pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

....and "By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path."

You'll never see Yadda quote these verses.

Yes, gandalf, your friend in the Northern Territory said it all ---------- >

Submitting our will to Allah's will, and submitting to Allah's perfect religion, is the way to achieve 'peace' in the world....

"....you acquire peace through it."

And of course, if you refuse to submit yourself to Allah's will,

then you will experience the 'righteous' warfare of moslems, battling 'against the friends of SATAN'
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AS PER THE URGING OF ALLAH, IN KORAN!!!

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"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #80 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 8:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

Telling a hijabi what you think about the hijab is not verbal intimidation. It's expressing your opinion.

when you're a complete stranger with no other reason to talk to her other than to tell her off for what she wears - of course its intimidation. You are completely delusional.

So that's like muslims telling off Australians and saying kill all those who oppose islam and they are uncovered meat and its women who are at fault when being raped. It is you are completely delusional because you are a simpleton

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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.

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Reply #81 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 8:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:36pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:28pm:

YOUR CLAIMS OF RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE, HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.

My tolerance credentials are based on what *I* believe and what *I* practice. Not silly big-nosed bearded men you constantly shove in our faces - men whose views and actions I condemn and feel no affiliation with whatsoever.

You will never say that I am lying based on anything I actually say or do - because you can't.

I am religiously tolerant because I believe in and practice religious tolerance. The only thing you prove is your incredulity that a muslim can possibly be like this. But thats your problem, not mine.

No its your problem if you want to keep pretending to be one, because in order for you to be one, you must be one by definition of the ideologies doctrine. Something you clearly have no idea about.

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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.

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Reply #82 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 8:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 6:55am:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

A Jew or a Christian or a liberated feminist is not permitted to express her cultural heritage and values through traditional Jewish or Christian or feminist dress in Mecca or Raqa or Mosul because you b vggers regard it as a direct repudiation of and attack on your Islamic values in the heart of Islam.

Oh good trotting out this absurd non-argument again.

I condemn Mecca, Raqqa, Mosul for such behaviour, and its simply pathetic to judge our progressive culture by the standards of those backward barbarians.

Why are they backward barbarians gandalf ?

Do they not hold fast to the teachings of the quran and not your religion.

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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.

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Reply #83 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 8:19pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 4:51pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

"I'm gandalf. I'm a moslem. But the tenets and laws and 'ideals' of ISLAM mean nothing to me."

The tenets and laws and ideals of Islam mean a lot to me.

Like "let there be no compulsion in religion" and "By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path."

You'll never see Yadda quote these verses.

You don't even know the laws and tenents of islam and even if you did you certainly do not adhere to them so clearly they don't mean that much to you.

Trotting out a couple out of context quotes from the quran won't save blind freddy will it now.

Funny how we never see you quote the ones Yadda quotes and stand by them.

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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.

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Reply #84 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 8:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

I want to see the practice of ISLAM banned in Australia.

And i want to see all mosques closed.

....but i'm not holding my breath.

You support religious intolerance, I don't.

Thats fine, but just understand that it is you who is the pariah in our society, and it is you who doesn't belong here - not me. You can piss off to your own little 'no-Islam' utopia along with Soren and Anders Brievik.

Or you could piss off to a muslim country and leave us Australians alone to not have to deal with your violence and bigotry against anything not slammic. It is you who is not wanted in our society hence a cursory look at the load of shyte posted about islam on just this forum alone.

It is you who support religious intolerance by practicing the slammic BS ideology in society and everywhere else you open your gob.

Do get it right old chap.

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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.

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Reply #87 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 9:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 11:54am:

I want to see the practice of ISLAM banned in Australia.

And i want to see all mosques closed.

....but i'm not holding my breath.

You support religious intolerance, I don't.

Thats fine, but just understand that it is you who is the pariah in our society, and it is you who doesn't belong here - not me. You can piss off to your own little 'no-Islam' utopia along with Soren and Anders Brievik.

You guys are all emotion and no fricken reasoning.

The rush to emotional pouting and preening is ridiculous and pathetic - and dangerous. This is what leads to the shooting up of newspapers and beheadings - an utter inability to contain your seething resentment of anyone who doesn't submit. You submit (which is f vcking pathetic by some other people's reckoning), and so you snarl at anyone who doesn't also share your pathological need to to submit to a completely ludicrous delusion.
You share the psychological and emotional horizon of jihadi shooters.

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Reply #88 - Mar 23^rd, 2019 at 12:32am

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 7:38pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

|dev|null wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 3:30pm:

All other law-abiding and peaceful citizens are treated in this way,

are you suggesting Muslims should be treated as second-class citizens or worse Soren?

Why should moslems, in Australia, enjoy the rights and freedoms that are extended to other Australians ?

They should not.

Moslems are not Australians.

By that, i mean that the allegiance of 'the moslem', is not to Australia.

The allegiance of 'the moslem', is to the nation of ISLAM [the ummah, the moslem community].

Moslems are moslems.

The allegiance of 'the moslem', is to ISLAM, EXCLUSIVELY.

True.

Maybe there should be a clause in the permanent residency / citizenship oath that clears up this little crevice where the bludgerhadeen and their enablers have been hiding.

"Do you support the Ummah under sharia"?

Yes - you are out.

No - any future support for the bludgerhadeen will be perjury and loss of PR and citizenship.

Time to treat Muslims as Mohammed treated non-Muslims. Is that fair enough, Gandy, Hot breast, Brain?? Is it OK to treat Muslims by the standards they apply to others?

Or is that Islamophobic and wacist?

I agree, old boy. Let's ask this as well:

Do you like Danish?

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