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Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons
Reply #120 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 4:49pm

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a small matter of there being no evidence they did

Do you need me to explain why this is wrong Gandalf?

Lack of evidence means not proved FD! Cheesy

Absolute nonsense. When it comes to the Muselman, it means proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

Oh, I'd forgotten the inverted Islamophobic way of thinking! How foolish of me! Shocked

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Reply #122 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:50pm

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freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

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a small matter of there being no evidence they did

Do you need me to explain why this is wrong Gandalf?

Lack of evidence means not proved FD! Cheesy

You instinctively talk like you want to get off a hook or beat rap.

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Reply #123 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:56pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

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a small matter of there being no evidence they did

Do you need me to explain why this is wrong Gandalf?

um yeah I do FD.

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

Why is it impossible to get more than 20 muslims in one photo

It isn't - and they did.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/11018579_10197525...

= more than 20 muslims. In amongst some non-muslims. This is just one angle of the crowd which no one is disagreeing numbered up to 1000. How many muslims amongst them? Difficult to tell, obviously - made more difficult by the fact that the shot of the 3 girls in the ring demonstrates that Norwegian muslim dress standards seem to be more liberal than most places. The organiser (who never asked AFP/AP to report that there were 1000 muslims forming the ring) claimed there were at least 200-300 muslims present. I see no reason to disbelieve him.

I cited the same numbers: 1000 people, 2-300 of them sons and daughters of Mohammed, 20 forming a line.

The 1300 Muslims forming a protective ring wheeza sounds, immediately suspicious and improbably way too good to be true. And so it proved.
But you went eagerly along with what smacks of propaganda and exaggeration.

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Reply #124 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 8:43pm

Soren wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:50pm:

|dev|null wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

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a small matter of there being no evidence they did

Do you need me to explain why this is wrong Gandalf?

Lack of evidence means not proved FD! Cheesy

You instinctively talk like you want to get off a hook or beat rap.

Stupid and mendacious, no?

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Reply #125 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 6:05am

Soren wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:56pm:

But you went eagerly along with what smacks of propaganda and exaggeration.

I went along with what the mainstream was reporting. You on the other hand didn't even parrot what your neo-nazi propagandist was saying - you just pulled stuff directly from your rectum.

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Reply #126 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 8:30am

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um yeah I do FD

This is what you claimed Gandalf:

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None of the muslims there made any of the "inventions" you refer to

Not having any evidence to back this claim up is not evidence to support the claim.

Also, do you disagree that they were "inventions".

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This is just one angle of the crowd which no one is disagreeing numbered up to 1000.

Even I agree that it is less than 1000. How do you fit 1300 Muslims in a crowd of less than 1000 people? Do the women count as Muslims but not as people? Also, the claim Soren made is that there were only 20 people in the symbolic line symbolising the symbolic ring. As I keep saying, that would be easy enough to prove wrong with a photo.

You also keep dropping the ball on why "it was decided" to only form a line rather than a ring? Do you not know?

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claimed there were at least 200-300 muslims present. I see no reason to disbelieve him.

Of course, just like you saw no reason to disbelieve the 1300 strong symbolic ring of Islamic protection.

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claimed there were at least 200-300 muslims present. I see no reason to disbelieve him.

You never did explain whether you think this is typical journalistic incompetence. Too busy chanting conspiracy and blaming me for your words?

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Reply #127 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 9:00am

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 6:05am:

Soren wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:56pm:

But you went eagerly along with what smacks of propaganda and exaggeration.

I went along with what the mainstream was reporting. You on the other hand didn't even parrot what your neo-nazi propagandist was saying - you just pulled stuff directly from your rectum.

True, G. That's where the old boy gets his cheese.

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Reply #128 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 11:36am

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

ot having any evidence to back this claim up is not evidence to support the claim.

dear God, you've excelled yourself this time FD. Honestly, bravo

So just so we're clear - false reports coming from newswires about muslims are by default sourced from muslims unless otherwise proven - right?

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

Even I agree that it is less than 1000. How do you fit 1300 Muslims

I don't. Who mentioned 1300? Not me.

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

Also, the claim Soren made is that there were only 20 people in the symbolic line symbolising the symbolic ring.

umm no...

Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 1:10pm:

20 Muslims and 1000 Norwegians looking on.

Of course he quickly and quietly abandoned this position when he thought no one was looking - only to pull another BS claim from his rectum.

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 8:30am:

You also keep dropping the ball on why "it was decided" to only form a line rather than a ring? Do you not know?

You also dropped the ball on why you "decided not to read" the Times of Israel article I posted and constantly reference. Why is that?

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Reply #129 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 12:43pm

So what is your opinion Gandalf? Is the extent of the errors in the article typical of journalistic incompetence? Is that the same thing as a conspiracy?

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dear God, you've excelled yourself this time FD. Honestly, bravo

You said it Gandalf:

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None of the muslims there made any of the "inventions" you refer to

You could have just admitted you have no basis whatsoever to make this claim. I did not make you pretend otherwise. It's not like I failed to quote this for you to make sure there was no confusion.

Also, do you disagree that they were "inventions".

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You also dropped the ball on why you "decided not to read" the Times of Israel article I posted and constantly reference. Why is that?

As far as I recall I have read the articles. Like I said I must have missed it. Why was it decided Gandalf?

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umm no...

Here it is for you Gandalf - only one page back:

Soren wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Bollocks.

Reuters reported 1000+ Muslims forming a protective ring. That was a lie.

20 Muslims formed a line. That's true.

Muslims roll out the scant 'let's protect the Jews' wheeze only after Muslim have killed Jews in accordance with the Koranic demand to kill Jews.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 8:37pm:

You then made the complete fabrications that 1. it was definitely a crowd of predominantly non-muslims and 2. only 20 muslims were willing to form the ring/line. Thats you lying.

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

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It was evidently untrue - as was your claim that a grand total of 20 muslims turned up. You then made the complete fabrications that 1. it was definitely a crowd of predominantly non-muslims and 2. only 20 muslims were willing to form the ring/line. Thats you lying.

Gandalf, if more than 20 Muslims formed the symbolic line symbolising a symbolic ring that you went on to misrepresent as an actual symbolic ring, it would be pretty easy to demonstrate this with photographic evidence.

Now that you have realised what you, Soren and I have been discussing, I will give you the opportunity to change your mind about how many Muslims formed the symbolic line symbolising the symbolic ring.

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Reply #130 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 1:42pm

Soren wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:50pm:

|dev|null wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 12:53pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

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a small matter of there being no evidence they did

Do you need me to explain why this is wrong Gandalf?

Lack of evidence means not proved FD! Cheesy

You instinctively talk like you want to get off a hook or beat rap.

Nah, just comes from being a member of a legalistic family Soren! Grin

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Reply #131 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 1:59pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 5:32pm:

Yes, well I was referring to the the incorrect information reported by the news wires. In FD world when news sources report inaccurately about muslims, this apparently means 'muslims perpetuated them - unless proven otherwise'.

Ah, yes, the world-wide Muslim Conspiracy theory. I'd forgotten that had replaced the Jews as the running Conspiracist concept. How unfortunate of me! Grin

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Reply #132 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 2:49pm

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

So what is your opinion Gandalf? Is the extent of the errors in the article typical of journalistic incompetence? Is that the same thing as a conspiracy?

Its incompetence, mistake, whatever you want to call it - from the news wires, not muslims. You seem to be having great difficulty with the fact that it was you who linked these non-muslim newswire mistakes with "muslims doing what they do" and claiming it was done in order to cover up for what happened in Copenhagen. Explain it to me like I'm stupid FD - how do the errors of fact we are discussing that were made by the newswires relate to "muslims doing what they do"? Explain to me how you are not describing some conspiracy.

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

You could have just admitted you have no basis whatsoever to make this claim.

I have a great deal of basis to claim that none of the errors of fact we are discussing came from any muslim. Unless AFP/AP or Reuters are some sort of muslim outfit these days? Are they FD? Help me understand this incomprehensible logic of yours.

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

Also, do you disagree that they were "inventions".

Sure, the reporter(s) for AFP/AP apparently got some facts wrong. I guess thats the definition of an "invention". How is this a muslim thing again? Was the reporter(s) muslim?

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

As far as I recall I have read the articles. Like I said I must have missed it.

Yeah you must have.

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

Here it is for you Gandalf - only one page back:

Gee, FD, who'd have thought the meaning of "20 Muslims and 1000 Norwegians looking on." could be so difficult to understand. Though he is actually correct - but not in the way he thought he was - there were ~1000 Norwegians, and many (most?) of them happened to be muslim. It just never occurres to the likes of Soren that a muslim living in Norway could possibly be considered "Norwegian". And I never said he didn't abandon this claim - he clearly did. But it doesn't alter the fact that he created a big whopper (one of several in this thread alone).

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 12:43pm:

Now that you have realised what you, Soren and I have been discussing, I will give you the opportunity to change your mind about how many Muslims formed the symbolic line symbolising the symbolic ring.

20 muslims formed the first line that we see in the news articles - apparently. But keep up FD, thats not what we're debating. Soren firstly claimed there were exactly zero muslims besides those that formed the symbolic line. After quietly abandoning this, he then went on to claim that the muslims in the crowd "declined" to join the line - completely baseless - and refuted by the TOI article who quoted the organiser explaining why instead of one big ring surrounding the synagogue, two lines - one big one small was decided on in consultation with the police - was decided upon.

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Reply #133 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 6:05pm

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Soren firstly claimed there were exactly zero muslims besides those that formed the symbolic line. After quietly abandoning this,

You must have that quote handy somewhere, Gandy.

Actually, here it is. Nobody says 'there were zero muslims besides those that formed a symbolic line' symbolising a ring formed by 1300 Mulsims.

The organiser said there were 'hundreds of Muslims'. Why they didn't join in to form a symbolic line, ring, whatever, is not revealed. It's not like there was no room in that line. The Muslim organiser makes random, totally spurious claims about 'hundreds', knowing that there is no way of verifying his claim.

But if you judge people by the ACTIONS, then there were only 20 Muslims there who were prepared to personally participate in a symbolic act of protecting Jews. That IS a fact, verifiable, undisputed. 20 or so Muslims.

And so it is true that there were far, far more Muslims, several hundred, at the Danish Muslim shooters funeral who were prepared to make a symbolic gesture to farewell a Jew-killer than there were Muslims who were prepared to personally make a symbolic gesture of protecting Jews.

According to the Islamic Society, twice as many people gathered in and around the mosque for the shooter's funeral than is usual for regular Friday prayers.

Versus 20, mostly school girls holding hands and denouncing Islamophobia a propos the Muslim guy killing a Jew.

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Reply #134 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 6:53pm

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Its incompetence, mistake, whatever you want to call it - from the news wires, not muslims.

Is the extent of the errors in the article typical of journalistic incompetence? Is that the same thing as a conspiracy?

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You seem to be having great difficulty with the fact that it was you who linked these non-muslim newswire mistakes with "muslims doing what they do"

For example, when I cited, you, a Muslim, doing it.

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I have a great deal of basis to claim that none of the errors of fact we are discussing came from any muslim.

Even though you have no clue who started the lies and who is responsible for promoting them (other than your own contribution, of course)?

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Unless AFP/AP or Reuters are some sort of muslim outfit these days? Are they FD? Help me understand this incomprehensible logic of yours.

They may employ Muslims. It is a pretty big leap to go from finding a lie in an AFP/AP publication to concluding that a Muslim could not possibly be the source of it Gandalf. You have personally demonstrated how eager Muslims are to spread these lies and defend them even after the lie is pointed out.

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Sure, the reporter(s) for AFP/AP apparently got some facts wrong. I guess thats the definition of an "invention". How is this a muslim thing again? Was the reporter(s) muslim?

I am just trying to clarify your use of the quote marks around inventions. Normally this is done to borrow a term that you don't necessarily agree with.

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20 muslims formed the first line that we see in the news articles - apparently. But keep up FD, thats not what we're debating.

Oh really? Here is (again) the discussion from one page back (rather than the comment from Soren from a fortnight ago you you appear to think I have been discussing with you).

Soren wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Bollocks.

Reuters reported 1000+ Muslims forming a protective ring. That was a lie.

20 Muslims formed a line. That's true.

Muslims roll out the scant 'let's protect the Jews' wheeze only after Muslim have killed Jews in accordance with the Koranic demand to kill Jews.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 8:37pm:

You then made the complete fabrications that 1. it was definitely a crowd of predominantly non-muslims and 2. only 20 muslims were willing to form the ring/line. Thats you lying.

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

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It was evidently untrue - as was your claim that a grand total of 20 muslims turned up. You then made the complete fabrications that 1. it was definitely a crowd of predominantly non-muslims and 2. only 20 muslims were willing to form the ring/line. Thats you lying.

Gandalf, if more than 20 Muslims formed the symbolic line symbolising a symbolic ring that you went on to misrepresent as an actual symbolic ring, it would be pretty easy to demonstrate this with photographic evidence.

Now that you have realised what you, Soren and I have been discussing, I will give you the opportunity to change your mind about how many Muslims formed the symbolic line symbolising the symbolic ring.

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