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Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons
Reply #150 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 11:15am

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

Do you disagree with anything in "Gandalf's story"?

OK FD, I'll help you along here, and here's a big clue: this will help you in answering the question you are so determined to avoid.

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

All the lies and transparent spin doctoring have nothing at all to do with the bad publicity arising from several European Muslim terrorists attacking cartoonists, free speech advocates and Jews, and the massive turnout at the funeral of one of the Muslims who killed Jews.

Yes, I do have a problem with this. We both saw the factual errors in the news articles - mistakes made by western news journalists. As far as we know they were not written by muslims and they were not sourced by muslims - since there is precisely zero evidence to suggest it was. So again - and I am merely rephrasing the exact same question I've been trying to get an answer from you a different way - where is the link between factual errors in western news reports and muslims concerned with 'bad publicity' over recent events? Its an incredibly simple question FD, and I can't understand why you can't answer it. Show me *HOW* these journalistic errors *DO* have something to do with trying to cover up this bad publicity - or what you described earlier as "concealing the threat of Islam", and "muslims doing what they do".

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95886 Gender:	Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons Reply #151 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 11:42am Ask G another question, FD. That could work.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons Reply #152 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 11:48am FD should ask me another question about a conspiracy while simultaneously ridiculing the very idea that it has anything to do with a conspiracy.
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Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons
Reply #153 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 11:49am

And just in case anyone's still confused - this is definitely *NOT* a conspiracy theory:

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

All the lies and transparent spin doctoring have nothing at all to do with the bad publicity arising from several European Muslim terrorists attacking cartoonists, free speech advocates and Jews, and the massive turnout at the funeral of one of the Muslims who killed Jews.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons
Reply #154 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 5:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

FD should ask me another question about a conspiracy while simultaneously ridiculing the very idea that it has anything to do with a conspiracy.

Ask him that, FD. G can then explain himself again and you can get him in trouble for not answering the question properly and put him in the Wiki for evasion.

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Reply #155 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 7:44pm

Talking up Muslims and minimising the terrible effect of Islam in the world is the result of Islamic terrorism.

People like Reuters self-sensor.

Mulsim have established themselves as unpredictably violent fanatics who will pursue you and kill you if you say, write, publish anything they take exception to.

So there is an obvious tendency of NOT WANTING TO CATCH THE EYES OF THE FANATIC MUSLIMS. So people will talk up a little line of 20 as if it was a ring of 1000+.

People in news rooms, on the street, in publishing houses, schools, universities, governments are afraid of unpredictably violent Muslims.

Violence works. We have definitely learned that from Muslims.

Call your kid Jihad and be the voice of peace, why dontcha?

Freedom is Slavery, Jihad is Love.

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Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons
Reply #156 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 8:53pm

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Yes, I do have a problem with this. We both saw the factual errors in the news articles - mistakes made by western news journalists. As far as we know they were not written by muslims

You seem less certain now Gandalf. Why is that?

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and they were not sourced by muslims

What does that mean? The journalists are not Muslims?

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where is the link between factual errors in western news reports and muslims concerned with 'bad publicity' over recent events?

You ask me this after quoting me saying they had nothing to do with each other? Perhaps it is a coincidence Gandalf. A concocted Muslims-behaving-like-normal-people story does the rounds globally, like a viral video, except in mainstream publications, after a string of high publicity terrorist attacks by nasty terrorists who just happen to be Muslim (there's another coincidence for you).

I think it is your Islamic view of the world that makes you demand someone behind the curtains pulling all the strings. Is Jews the correct answer?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95886 Gender:	Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons Reply #157 - Mar 13^th, 2015 at 9:33pm Bingo. You’ve got him, FD. It was the Jews the whole time. Sinister, no? They’ve even infiltrated the old boy’s posts. He’s starting to speak Yiddish.
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Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons
Reply #158 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 6:38am

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

A concocted Muslims-behaving-like-normal-people story does the rounds globally, like a viral video, except in mainstream publications, after a string of high publicity terrorist attacks by nasty terrorists who just happen to be Muslim (there's another coincidence for you).

Sinister no?

Why would "mainstream publications" do this? Are you still trying us on and pretending its not a conspiracy? Who "concocted" it FD?

Soren at least made an attempt to address this apparent conspiracy err.. collaboration between western news wires and sinister muslims.

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

I think it is your Islamic view of the world that makes you demand someone behind the curtains pulling all the strings.

FD, I'm merely trying to understand what you mean by these factual errors in the western news reports going "beyond mere journalistic incompetence" and associating this with concealing the true threat of islam and "muslims doing what they do". As for me, I'm very happy to go with "mere journalistic incompetence" and leave it at that. But please, do fee free to deflect with silly strawman about "da joooooooooos" - as you always do.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #159 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 8:00am

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Why would "mainstream publications" do this? Are you still trying us on and pretending its not a conspiracy? Who "concocted" it FD?

I have no idea who concocted it. You are the only person who made any claims about this. I do know that many people, including yourself, were desperate to propagate the lies. This is not the same thing as a conspiracy Gandalf.

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FD, I'm merely trying to understand what you mean by these factual errors in the western news reports going "beyond mere journalistic incompetence" and associating this with concealing the true threat of islam and "muslims doing what they do".

I have explained this to you already by citing the example of you doing it.

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As for me, I'm very happy to go with "mere journalistic incompetence"

Journalistic incompetence does not explain how you repeatedly got sucked into it.

Also, when you chose this as the part of 'Gandalf's story' that you have an issue with:

All the lies and transparent spin doctoring have nothing at all to do with the bad publicity arising from several European Muslim terrorists attacking cartoonists, free speech advocates and Jews, and the massive turnout at the funeral of one of the Muslims who killed Jews.

Did you mean that you disagree with it?

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Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons
Reply #160 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 8:31am

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- hundreds of muslims turned up to form a ring around the Oslo synagoguge
- police and organisers decided it wasn't a good idea for everyone to create one big ring, so instead they formed two lines - one small symbolic one for the cameras and a second behind police barricades
- news reporters incorrectly reported that the original ring had gone ahead as planned.
- Gandalf citing the original story as reported...

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- because Gandalf went along with the original "full ring" story, there is therefore a massive conspiracy effort by a sinister worldwide muslim outfit to use this to conceal the threat of islam to our civilization.
- neo-nazi bloggers, cheered on and embellished even more by Soren perpetuating outright lies - including that the total number of muslims numbered no more than 20, or that the number of muslims can easily be identified by a mere look at the faces in the crowd (tried on by both you and Soren) - will be ignored, excused or indulged.
- muslims must be assumed guilty of sourcing inaccurate "good news" stories about muslims - unless otherwise proven.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #161 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:01am

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- hundreds of muslims turned up to form a ring around the Oslo synagoguge

You initially titled this thread 1000+ Muslims form ring

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- police and organisers decided it wasn't a good idea for everyone to create one big ring

Everyone? So it was never going to be a Muslim ring? Why is it such a bad idea?

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so instead they formed two lines - one small symbolic one for the cameras and a second behind police barricades

Do you have any photos of this barricade sandwich?

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Gandalf citing the original story as reported...

You defended it for a long time, even after it was obviously BS. Then you moved on to a claim, apparently from the Israeli times, that hundreds of Muslims formed a second line. You still seem to think this is true.

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- neo-nazi bloggers, cheered on and embellished even more by Soren perpetuating outright lies

So if Soren is perpetuating outright lies, what are you doing?

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- muslims must be assumed guilty of sourcing inaccurate "good news" stories about muslims - unless otherwise proven.

Isn't that what you did?

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Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons
Reply #162 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 4:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 7:37pm:

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More than 1000 Muslims formed a human shield around Oslo's synagogue on Saturday, offering symbolic protection for the city's Jewish community and condemning an attack on a synagogue in neighboring Denmark last weekend.

Chanting "No to anti-Semitism, no to Islamophobia," Norway's Muslims formed

what they called a ring of peace

a week after Omar Abdel Hamid El-Hussein, a Danish-born son of Palestinian immigrants, killed two people at a synagogue and an event promoting free speech in Copenhagen last weekend.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/21/us-norway-muslims-jews-idUSKBN0LP0AG20...

taqqiya?

Yeah, taqqiya. There was no ring of peace, even though that is what Muslims called it.

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Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons
Reply #163 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 4:52pm

Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 4:35pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 7:37pm:

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More than 1000 Muslims formed a human shield around Oslo's synagogue on Saturday, offering symbolic protection for the city's Jewish community and condemning an attack on a synagogue in neighboring Denmark last weekend.

Chanting "No to anti-Semitism, no to Islamophobia," Norway's Muslims formed

what they called a ring of peace

a week after Omar Abdel Hamid El-Hussein, a Danish-born son of Palestinian immigrants, killed two people at a synagogue and an event promoting free speech in Copenhagen last weekend.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/21/us-norway-muslims-jews-idUSKBN0LP0AG20...

taqqiya?

Yeah, taqqiya. There was no ring of peace, even though that is what Muslims called it.

You have evidence that it was what the Muslims called it, originally or were they just reacting to what the media sources called it? Roll Eyes

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Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons
Reply #164 - Mar 14^th, 2015 at 5:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 4:52pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 4:35pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2015 at 7:37pm:

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More than 1000 Muslims formed a human shield around Oslo's synagogue on Saturday, offering symbolic protection for the city's Jewish community and condemning an attack on a synagogue in neighboring Denmark last weekend.

Chanting "No to anti-Semitism, no to Islamophobia," Norway's Muslims formed

what they called a ring of peace

a week after Omar Abdel Hamid El-Hussein, a Danish-born son of Palestinian immigrants, killed two people at a synagogue and an event promoting free speech in Copenhagen last weekend.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/21/us-norway-muslims-jews-idUSKBN0LP0AG20...

taqqiya?

Yeah, taqqiya. There was no ring of peace, even though that is what Muslims called it.

You have evidence that it was what the Muslims called it, originally or were they just reacting to what the media sources called it? Roll Eyes

Why don't you ask Gandy, it's his show-and-tell. He didn't doubt it that the Muslims called it that.
Or click on the link and see what the Muslim organiser said. Or look up Gandy's post saying how much more he trusts credible mainstream news sources like reuter than eyewitnesses and bloggers who were there.

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