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Re: Hundreds of muslims show solidarity with Oslo Jews
Reply #315 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 9:58pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 9:00am:
SweetLambo wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 11:40pm:
rhino wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 11:12pm:
Is that you Boobs practising how to swallow properly?


It's called yawning; Retard.


When I ban you for continual personal abuse - can you promise not to have another hissy fit and bring the entire forum down?


Abuse like a Global Moderator accusing people of having hissy fits bringing the entire forum down in front of everyone else ?

If you have proof of your stupid accusation post it or grow up. Until then keep your childish accusations to yourself.

Since you are in a banning mood why don't you ban your pet karnel troll or your hot breath or gregorypeccary. Then you would at least be consistent.

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Reply #316 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:25pm
 
G, I demand to be banned immediately.

If you don’t, I’ll practice my freeeeedom of speech and crash the Muslim board.
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Re: Hundreds of muslims show solidarity with Oslo Jews
Reply #317 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:43pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:25pm:
G, I demand to be banned immediately.

If you don’t, I’ll practice my freeeeedom of speech and crash the Muslim board.


You wouldn't have the brains all you can do is make useless posts.
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Re: Hundreds of muslims show solidarity with Oslo Jews
Reply #318 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 7:25am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 9:51pm:
If a dozen Muslims went on a violent rampage, and the media reported it as  over a thousand Muslims surrounding a Synagog, you would bleat until the cows came home. This has nothing to do with tarring all Muslims with the same brush. It is far simpler than that - being honest.


Good point FD - quibbling over the actual numbers at a peace rally, and whether or not a line or a ring was formed - is exactly equivalent to pretending a violent rampage is really a peace demonstration.

freediver wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 9:51pm:
This has nothing to do with tarring all Muslims with the same brush. It is far simpler than that - being honest.


Being honest - of course. You mean like labelling this episode as a big muslim conspiracy campaign of "doing what muslims do" to conceal the threat of islam - without being able to come up with a shred of evidence?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Re: Hundreds of muslims show solidarity with Oslo Jews
Reply #319 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 8:36am
 
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Good point FD - quibbling over the actual numbers at a peace rally, and whether or not a line or a ring was formed - is exactly equivalent to pretending a violent rampage is really a peace demonstration.


No two lies are exactly the same Gandalf. My point is that the truth does matter, and your dedicated efforts to misrepresent this are rather disturbing.

Do Muslims value the truth Gandalf?

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Being honest - of course. You mean like labelling this episode as a big muslim conspiracy campaign of "doing what muslims do" to conceal the threat of islam - without being able to come up with a shred of evidence?


You doing what Muslims do is evidence of Muslims doing what Muslims do.
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Re: Hundreds of muslims show solidarity with Oslo Jews
Reply #320 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 9:36am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 8:36am:
No two lies are exactly the same Gandalf. My point is that the truth does matter


Your point seems to be that calling a line a "ring" or daring to call a row of people a "line" represents a most ghastly and sinister lie - and amounts to some sort of conspiracy plot to conceal the true threat of islam - and is somehow equivalent to lying about terrorism.

I agree truth matters - like the truth that no amount of petty quibbling over when a line shouldn't be call a line - is going to change the fact that the episode was a good will gesture towards jews by muslims in the name of peace and harmony. This truth of this story is clearly not important to you - petty quibbling over definitions of a line clearly is.

freediver wrote on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 8:36am:
Do Muslims value the truth Gandalf?


Which is of course a rhetorical question. This muslim certainly doesn't value using different definitions of the word "line" as justification for concocting some non-existent sinister world-wide muslim plot to conceal the threat of islam. I'm sure that makes me terribly dishonest and sinister.

freediver wrote on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 8:36am:
You doing what Muslims do is evidence of Muslims doing what Muslims do.


So have you worked out whether or not I've lied yet FD? Are you going to accuse me of lying - then in the next breath deny you ever said any such thing - like you did last time? Or maybe you can once again baselessly accuse an Islamic organization in Sydney of using misused state funds to give to terrorists - and then deny with a straight face you ever said any such thing.
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Re: Hundreds of muslims show solidarity with Oslo Jews
Reply #321 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 9:38am
 

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Do Muslims value the truth Gandalf?



it depends on what their death cult leader says.
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Reply #322 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 10:00am
 
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Your point seems to be that calling a line a "ring" or daring to call a row of people a "line" represents a most ghastly and sinister lie


I simply addressing one lie at a time Gandalf. This thread is an accumulation of many of them, so please be patient. The only reason this one became such an issue is because you stuck with it.

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I agree truth matters


To Muslims?

Was there a second line consisting of hundreds of Muslims Gandalf?

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like the truth that no amount of petty quibbling over when a line shouldn't be call a line - is going to change the fact that the episode was a good will gesture towards jews by muslims in the name of peace and harmony. This truth of this story is clearly not important to you - petty quibbling over definitions of a line clearly is.


I see. You support the "truth" that it is OK to lie so long as the overall message is politically correct?

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Which is of course a rhetorical question.


I am trying to get you to focus here Gandalf.

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This muslim certainly doesn't value using different definitions of the word "line"


You'd be surprised how often I see Muslims deceive people by pretending a word has a completely different meaning.
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Re: Hundreds of muslims show solidarity with Oslo Jews
Reply #323 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 10:41am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 10:00am:
I see. You support the "truth" that it is OK to lie so long as the overall message is politically correct?


I support the truth that disagreement over what constitutes a line doesn't change the fact that this was a story about muslims showing goodwill towards jews.

Gee how pathetic can you get FD? Trying to paint this story as 'based on lies' by - of all things - quibbling over what is defined by a line.
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Reply #324 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 2:06pm
 
If that was the extent of it you would have a point Gandalf. But it is just one of many lies. Perhaps it is time for you to change the thread title again.

You do not actually think it was a line. You parroted some other idiot saying it was a line and now you must stick to that story no matter how stupid the photos make it look. And by now you must have realised that it was not hundreds of Muslims either, but you have been parroting some other idiot saying it was hundreds of Muslims but there is no way to know for sure because they all just happened to by white and dressed normally. The only facts you can actually stick to are not backed up by evidence, but by your infantile efforts to explain away the evidence. "No reason not to believe" is all you have left to fall back on, despite the long list of reasons.
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Reply #325 - Apr 4th, 2015 at 12:44pm
 
A line or a ring? Stupid or mendacious? Sometimes a question is just a question.

And, G, you can never counter such awe-inspiring rhetoric from the truth-loving FD.

Never ever.
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Reply #326 - Apr 4th, 2015 at 1:23pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 9:38am:
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Do Muslims value the truth Gandalf?



it depends on what their death cult leader says.


Which one would that be, Sprint?  Jesus?   Roll Eyes
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Re: Hundreds of muslims show solidarity with Oslo Jews
Reply #327 - Apr 4th, 2015 at 3:32pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 2:06pm:
If that was the extent of it you would have a point Gandalf. But it is just one of many lies.


And yet you keep banging on about it - as if you can't understand that this particular point of contention is not only completely irrelevant to the authenticity of the story, but is the most extraordinary case of petty-mindedness and smacks of desperation.

If the story really was as deceitful and relied so heavily on lies as you make out, then it makes no sense to make such a song and dance over this silly little irrelevancy. You would be focusing on really sinister lies that demonstrates the conspiracy campaign of deceit you are so desperate to convince us of.

freediver wrote on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 2:06pm:
And by now you must have realised that it was not hundreds of Muslims either, but you have been parroting some other idiot saying it was hundreds of Muslims but there is no way to know for sure because they all just happened to by white and dressed normally.


It hasn't actually occurred to you that no one except you and, for a fleeting moment Soren, disputes the claim that there were hundreds of muslims. One Norwegian journalist tweeted that even the most muslim critical were citing 200-300, which I believe I quoted earlier.

Interesting that this is one of the horrendously sinister lies you are using to justify your claim that this story is an outrageous organised muslim plot to conceal the threat of Islam - and that the reporting of these "lies" goes, in your words, "beyond regular journalistic incompetence". Interesting that what you call a lie (and then dress it up so enthusiastically to become a most sinister lie) is a claim that "there is no way to know for sure". FD - redefining the definition of lying - if a muslim makes a claim that can't be proven - it is not only assumed to be wrong, but it is maliciously and deliberately so.

FD I just hope in your more reflective moments you can appreciate the absurdly tenuous basis this great sinister plot of yours is built on. The over-the-top rhetoric about grand plots by muslims in cahoots with western journalists to mendaciously cover up the atrocities of muslims - and what does it come down to? Quibbling over what constitutes a line, and accusing muslims of not being able to prove their claim that hundreds of muslims turned up. Thats literally it FD - this is literally the extent of the "lies" that makes this such a sinister plot of taqqiya. But please, remind me if there's anything else I've forgotton. Maybe you can fall back on your old favourite - "deferring to common sense" and "thinking for yourself". That usually works.

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Reply #328 - Apr 4th, 2015 at 3:35pm
 
Either we have universal standards that apply to everyone regardless of Allah or Smallah or we are forever grinding in separate mills.

Which brings us to the heart of the clash of civilisations - which ethical system is universal and which is contingent.  Truth, freedom, personal liberty are obviously NOT universal values as they are not acceptable under Islam - but nor is Islam's teachings or Mohammed's prophetship universal values.

SO what is the common ground between Islam and Western liberal democracies?  On what basis can we say that Islam is compatible with Western traditions of freedom and individual rights?


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Reply #329 - Apr 4th, 2015 at 3:50pm
 
Soren wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 3:35pm:
Either we have universal standards that apply to everyone regardless of Allah or Smallah or we are forever grinding in separate mills.

Which brings us to the heart of the clash of civilisations - which ethical system is universal and which is contingent.  Truth, freedom, personal liberty are obviously NOT universal values as they are not acceptable under Islam - but nor is Islam's teachings or Mohammed's prophetship universal values.

SO what is the common ground between Islam and Western liberal democracies?  On what basis can we say that Islam is compatible with Western traditions of freedom and individual rights?


You keep making these claims, Soren yet many Muslims disagree with you about them.  I wonder therefore if you know really what you're talking about.   Roll Eyes
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