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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95782 Gender:	Re: Hundreds of muslims show solidarity with Oslo Jews Reply #390 - Apr 9^th, 2015 at 11:50am polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 10:51am: Or what FD - are you seriously suggesting that pointing out an inability to prove that the story is NOT based muslim lies actually supports your argument that the story definitely IS based on muslim lies? Oh, yes. FD's proof? Abu.
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Re: Hundreds of muslims show solidarity with Oslo Jews
Reply #391 - Apr 9^th, 2015 at 12:23pm

FD - I'd hate to think that you missed my previous question - because I think it really goes to the nouse of the matter:

Are you not just a little more circumspect about your bombastic claims related to this whole episode being based entirely on lies designed specifically to conceal the true threat of Islam - after so much of your version of events have proven to be false?

Lets summarise some of them:

1. Gandalf never posted a photo of the symbolic line of muslims - clearly evidence of gandalf being somehow deliberately deceitful (reality: two separate images of this line were posted before this claim was made)

2. Gandalf only posted a line of women (reality: not one of gandalf's posted images contained women only)

3. Gandalf "agreed" that FD's claimed muslim lies were in fact lies

4. Gandalf reluctantly acknowledged the misinformation - then turned around and restated them as fact (reality: gandalf acknowledged the only two known pieces of misinformation as soon as they came to light - the 1000 muslim claim and the ring around the synagogue - and never restated either of these as facts thereafter)

5. The muslim organiser stated there was no way for him to know how many muslims turned up - and FD used this to demonstrate a contradiction with another claim (sinister muslims again). The statement in fact came from the jewish leader

6. Gandalf's "no way of knowing" argument was simply parroting what this deceitful muslim said (obviously deceitful muslims feed off each other)

7. All the "tinted" muslims were picked out for the symbolic line, while all the "white" muslims were left in the second line (reality: the posted photos clearly show a white muslim in the first line, and many "tinted" muslims in the second line)

Every one of them 100% faecal matter. And yes, FD really did pull these while making the case for a heinous muslim lying episode.

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Reply #392 - Apr 9^th, 2015 at 12:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

There is no meaningful difference.

Gandalf, before the trial: Habib is innocent! Habib is innocent! Habib is innocent!

Gandalf, after the trial: Habib is guilty! The jury is in! Habib is guilty! I was not lying! This is actually me being entirely consistent! I had no idea whether he was guilty or innocent and was merely reaffirming the legal concept of innocent until proven guilty!

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Re: Hundreds of muslims show solidarity with Oslo Jews
Reply #393 - Apr 9^th, 2015 at 12:29pm

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 12:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

There is no meaningful difference.

Gandalf, before the trial: Habib is innocent! Habib is innocent! Habib is innocent!

Gandalf, after the trial: Habib is guilty! The jury is in! Habib is guilty! I was not lying! This is actually me being entirely consistent! I had no idea whether he was guilty or innocent and was merely reaffirming the legal concept of innocent until proven guilty!

You appear to have a problem with Muslims being possibly innocent FD. Nope, no Islamophobia there, your Honour! Cheesy

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Re: Hundreds of muslims show solidarity with Oslo Jews
Reply #394 - Apr 9^th, 2015 at 12:39pm

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 12:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

There is no meaningful difference.

Gandalf, before the trial: Habib is innocent! Habib is innocent! Habib is innocent!

Gandalf, after the trial: Habib is guilty! The jury is in! Habib is guilty! I was not lying! This is actually me being entirely consistent! I had no idea whether he was guilty or innocent and was merely reaffirming the legal concept of innocent until proven guilty!

Perhaps you could quote the rest of my point FD - it kinda makes a difference:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

There is no meaningful difference. When you build this episode as one that is entirely based on sinister muslim lies - which you are - then it obviously misses the point to launch into a lecture about how important the distinction is between stating muslim innocence as fact as opposed to stating that they have the presumption of innocence.

You *DO* remember that your entire argument rests on the idea that this is one big ruse to conceal the threat of Islam - based on sinister muslim lies - right? Its as if you really are trying to use the inability to disprove an allegation as proof of that allegation. Otherwise why would you think you are making any sort of relevant point with it? If you would agree that this logic is false, then you would agree the distinction is completely irrelevant in this case.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Hundreds of muslims show solidarity with Oslo Jews
Reply #395 - Apr 9^th, 2015 at 5:44pm

Are you saying that you lied because you thought I was?

Are you saying that whether you lied on this particular issue is irrelevant to the "built on lies" argument, because unless I can prove all the lies at once then any individual lie must be dismissed as insignificant?

I was not lecturing you on the importance of anything. I was asking whether you think it is fair to say that you were misrepresenting the presumption of innocence as the fact of innocence.

But seeing as we are on the topic, is it common for Muslims to do this on behalf of other Muslims?

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Re: Hundreds of muslims show solidarity with Oslo Jews
Reply #396 - Apr 9^th, 2015 at 5:50pm

Bump for FD...

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 12:23pm:

FD - I'd hate to think that you missed my previous question - because I think it really goes to the nouse of the matter:

Are you not just a little more circumspect about your bombastic claims related to this whole episode being based entirely on lies designed specifically to conceal the true threat of Islam - after so much of your version of events have proven to be false?

Lets summarise some of them:

1. Gandalf never posted a photo of the symbolic line of muslims - clearly evidence of gandalf being somehow deliberately deceitful (reality: two separate images of this line were posted before this claim was made)

2. Gandalf only posted a line of women (reality: not one of gandalf's posted images contained women only)

3. Gandalf "agreed" that FD's claimed muslim lies were in fact lies

4. Gandalf reluctantly acknowledged the misinformation - then turned around and restated them as fact (reality: gandalf acknowledged the only two known pieces of misinformation as soon as they came to light - the 1000 muslim claim and the ring around the synagogue - and never restated either of these as facts thereafter)

5. The muslim organiser stated there was no way for him to know how many muslims turned up - and FD used this to demonstrate a contradiction with another claim (sinister muslims again). The statement in fact came from the jewish leader

6. Gandalf's "no way of knowing" argument was simply parroting what this deceitful muslim said (obviously deceitful muslims feed off each other)

7. All the "tinted" muslims were picked out for the symbolic line, while all the "white" muslims were left in the second line (reality: the posted photos clearly show a white muslim in the first line, and many "tinted" muslims in the second line)

Every one of them 100% faecal matter. And yes, FD really did pull these while making the case for a heinous muslim lying episode.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Hundreds of muslims show solidarity with Oslo Jews
Reply #397 - Apr 9^th, 2015 at 6:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

Bump for FD...

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 12:23pm:

FD - I'd hate to think that you missed my previous question - because I think it really goes to the nouse of the matter:

Are you not just a little more circumspect about your bombastic claims related to this whole episode being based entirely on lies designed specifically to conceal the true threat of Islam - after so much of your version of events have proven to be false?

Lets summarise some of them:

1. Gandalf never posted a photo of the symbolic line of muslims - clearly evidence of gandalf being somehow deliberately deceitful (reality: two separate images of this line were posted before this claim was made)

2. Gandalf only posted a line of women (reality: not one of gandalf's posted images contained women only)

3. Gandalf "agreed" that FD's claimed muslim lies were in fact lies

4. Gandalf reluctantly acknowledged the misinformation - then turned around and restated them as fact (reality: gandalf acknowledged the only two known pieces of misinformation as soon as they came to light - the 1000 muslim claim and the ring around the synagogue - and never restated either of these as facts thereafter)

5. The muslim organiser stated there was no way for him to know how many muslims turned up - and FD used this to demonstrate a contradiction with another claim (sinister muslims again). The statement in fact came from the jewish leader

6. Gandalf's "no way of knowing" argument was simply parroting what this deceitful muslim said (obviously deceitful muslims feed off each other)

7. All the "tinted" muslims were picked out for the symbolic line, while all the "white" muslims were left in the second line (reality: the posted photos clearly show a white muslim in the first line, and many "tinted" muslims in the second line)

Every one of them 100% faecal matter. And yes, FD really did pull these while making the case for a heinous muslim lying episode.

Yes, but FD must be given a presumption of innocence for these lies.

If FD is charged, tried by a jury of his peers and convicted, then yes. Only then can we say he is guilty.

Until then, FD is being completely honest and sincere. But remember:

Sometimes a lie is just a lie.

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