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It wasn't a ring Gandalf.

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I must have missed that. An actual ring of people would be a symbolic ring. This was a symbolic line symbolising a symbolic ring to create a misleading headline to detract from the European Muslims coming out in support of terrorism. What was the reason BTW? Were they worried that instinct might kick in and the Muslims would burn it down after surrounding it? Maybe they were worried about a headline about Muslims surrounding a synagog to protest the Jew's fear of them.

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Turning it into a protest against Islamophobia is a pretty cynical manouvre.

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maybe the title should be "20 muslims turn up to protest the irrational fear of Islam while 1000's of other muslims rejoice at the murder of jews."

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 11:49am:



Facts matter - except when they don't matter  (ie are not favourable agit-prop for 'Islam is peaceful).

Reuter - your trusted wire service - reported:

Norway's Muslims form protective human ring around synagogue
OSLO Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:43pm EST

http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/m=02&d=20150221&t=2&i=1026845466&w=976&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=LYNXMPEB1K0C8
Muslims join hands to form a human shield as they stand outside a synagogue in Oslo February 21, 2015. REUTERS-Hakon Mosvold Larsen-NTB Scanpix

(Reuters) - More than 1000 Muslims formed a human shield around Oslo's synagogue on Saturday, offering symbolic protection for the city's Jewish community and condemning an attack on a synagogue in neighboring Denmark last weekend.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/21/us-norway-muslims-jews-idUSKBN0LP0AG20...

The facts matter but they are not reported here accurately.  The facts are:

More than 1000 Norwegians gathered to watch about 20 muslims form a symbolic line in front of the synagogue and then listened to a couple of Muslims denouncing Islamophobia a propos the killing of Jews by Muslims.

Among the 1000 + strong crowd there may have been some other Muslims but they declined to join the 20 who formed the line.

The mainstream media, like Reuters, unsure of what to make of the event, reported in favour of Muslims, fabricating or slanting facts. A very loose daisy chain because a 1000-strong human shield. This was simply, factually untrue on a massive scale. It is not possible to mistake 20 or 30 or even 100 people for 1000 people. It must be a lie, not a mistake.

Muslims around the world went along with the wheeze because, as FD says, "Muslims and their apologists are [desperate] to find a positive Islam news story to somehow offset the endless stream of Muslims behaving badly."  Big Media is among the apologists, that's why you, Gandalf, 'trust' them more than the guys who do not try to appease Muslims when reporting their behaving badly.



The biggest obstacle to peaceful coexistence with Islam everywhere in the West is the inability of the 'vast majority' to face, name and own the defects of Islam, both among themselves privately and when talking to non-muslims.   

Muslims have what must be a doctrinally congenital inability of self-critical reflection.  The ones who do exercise such self-critical reflection - the likes of Hirsi Ali et al - are denounced, hounded, threatened with death or killed.

freediver wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 1:06pm:


I can't for the life of me think why you would make a deal out of this.

Its as if you are saying this was all one big sinister conspiracy between Dutch muslims, Norwegian Muslims and Reuters.

"My brother Reuters - make sure you don't say 'symbolic line' but rather 'symbolic ring' - that will surely make all the difference in ensuring the triumph of Islam in Europe"

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 5^th, 2015 at 9:11pm:


It was deliberately blown out of proportion to find a counterweight to the large number of Muslims that turned up to mourn the dead terrorist. It is an attempt to mislead people about the threat posed by Islam and Muslims. That is why the details matter - the actual number of Muslims who turned up, whether they formed an actual symbolic ring or a pretend one because they were only concerned for imagery, and whether they attempted to claim victimhood for themselves in response to Muslims slaughtering Jews.

I don't know who. The journalists involved were probably just a combination of lazy and hoping it is all true. Even so, the invention of so many incorrect details goes beyond regular journalistic incompetence.

It is not a conspiracy Gandalf. It is Muslims doing what they do - deliberately misrepresenting the threat posed by Islam to civilisation. You demonstrated this yourself right here in this thread.

You did. You happily parroted the lies. And when it turned out that it was built on lie upon lie upon cynical manipulation, you still insisted that the whole still held together, even after you take away all the parts.