'But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.'

1 Corinthians 11


Was a quote in another thread.

In what ways did Christ display he was 'The head of man.' ?

That's the way God wants a man to be the head of a woman.

The Apostle Paul is attributed to writing it.
He reputedly wrote about 1/3 of the NT .

You can accept that or not. It's of little significance.

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Most modern western women would be lucky to check one of these boxes.

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Nice in theory, re: man demonstrating strength, protectiveness, altruism, etc. toward women (toward everyone) but it doesn't always manifest in reality

Not attempting to be argumentative here and of course, not just for the sake of it -- but the ideal situation is rarely in evidence, in my observation and experience

I wish it were, of course.  Would make life so much more pleasant and tolerable

An example: years ago when the children were very young, we bought one of the above-ground pools that were 'new' then.  We constructed it at dusk, had dinner, put the children to bed and then went out to finish off, including attachment of the filter

My spouse followed the instruction booklet to the letter.  And the booklet instructed that the electrical component of the pump be placed on the water-side of the pool wall

Immediately, I saw the insanity of that.  Water and electricity ?  Kids swimming around with the electrical stuff IN the water ! 

'It's got it wrong' I said. ' They can't mean what it says.  We'd electrocute the kids the minute we switched it on'

' Look at the diagram ! ' thundered spouse.  ' Look !'

' It's wrong' I replied.  ' If we did as it says to do, we'd electrocute the kids.  I'm not doing it.  The electrical part HAS to go on the other side, not the water side'

Half an hour of being told to 'Look ! ' at the diagram and instructions.  Because in spouse's mind, the pool manufacturer would know.  I would not.  The manufacturer was a 'big' person -- a manufacturer after all.  Whereas I was nothing in comparison and could not know

Became a battle.  Spouse threw the diagram on the table and went out for a sulk about being saddled with a disobedient, stupid spouse who wouldn't be told

Big sulk next morning.  All day.  Children asking when they could go for a swim.  Spouse telling them 'Soon' because he was going to put the pump in and then they could grab their kick-boards

I was ready to drop him in a pile if he dared install that pump according the instructions.  Or -- more likely -- I would collapse the entire pool and flood the yard before I'd let my children be electrocuted by an obedient dim wit

Man the head of woman.  In that case, man's head was stuffed with air

I installed the pump myself, right way around

Afterwards, spouse claimed that's what he'd intended to do anyway


Dozens of examples of the same thing

Be nice if women didn't need to use their heads because men's were better and wiser

Paul spoketh out of his bum, methinks.  Or was a raving misogynist.  Maybe he was gay?  Or insane?  Who knows

Women are half (bit more in fact) of the world's population and have at LEAST half the world's brain power

Has nothing to do with Christ

Sounds as if Paul was using Christ to justify his claims, to me

Don't mean to offend, but life is now, not two thousand years ago.  Would have been good to drag Paul to our backyard that night and get his take on that

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 28^th, 2015 at 1:45pm:




War on his part.  Ego.  Stubborness.  Control anxieties


No war on my part, but preparedeness


It was embarrassing.  I've posted a very abbreviated version, obviously

Initially, I tactfully attempted to discuss, as in, ' Have you seen this bit.  Does it look wrong to you? '  to provide opportunity for spouse to pick up on it and declare himself that the diagram and instructions must be wrong as result of careless translation from the original Taiwanese, if I remember correctly

When he didn't pick up on it I tidied up etc. as he sat studying the diagram and booklet - and I made little noises such as,  ' I don't know -- seems to me that maybe it hasn't been translated correctly.  I mean, they wouldn't really say to put the electrical bit in the water, would they?'

and so on

Embarrassing because women want the man to feel like the man.  Women dumb themselves down all the time so that men can be and feel the 'man'

You see it all around - women trying not to look anxious when their husband, after having a few drinks and with mates around, starts tossing a small child in the air.  I knew a man who did that.  Dropped his son who landed on a concrete floor.  The father was over six feet tall and his arms reach another couple of feet. So that little boy was dropped from about eight feet in the air.  The mother rushed to the child, cradled it, examined it for injury, took it outside because it was screaming and going blue.  She did not scream at her husband or blame him because she knew he felt horrible and gulty.  She didn't want to make him feel worse in front of his friends

Men and women do that sort of thing for each other all the time.  They are not enemies, although they're portrayed as such.  Men and women, generally, get along.  Or try to.  They want to keep the peace, most of them.  They understand or try to, each other and each other's foibles.  They are empathetic and generous

It's when things go wrong and they're subjected to pressures, many of them from outside, that they can turn on each other.  But we must always remember that Anger Is Disappointed Hope.  Puts it in perspective

Men make mistakes.  They're not born as wise, altruistic adults.  Same with women.  We're just large children.  We mess up.  We help each other out because we understand and have been there ourselves

I don't expect men to have all the answers and be all the solutions.  I might have done when I was very, very young.  And of course in movies and books, men are portrayed unrealistically much of the time, which can lead to huge expectations in inexperienced women.  But life brings with it reality.  For those women who want to believe men are all-knowing, all-protective, all-providing, etc., it's an unsustainable expectation which puts enormous pressure to perform on men

It's the same as men expecting women to be the living embodiment of the heroines in movies and books.  Women can't live up to those expectations, no one can

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I have seen that.
More than once