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Re: Islamism
Reply #15 - Mar 1^st, 2015 at 6:07pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 6:00pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 5:54pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 5:32pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 4:38pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 4:01pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 3:55pm:

Only the naive and wilfully stupid do not realise by now that Islam is a political ideology.

Any religious / social ideology is potentially a political ideology.

Has the potential to be twisted into one ignoring their doctrine. I believe the point is Islam is just an ideology not a religion according to its doctrine.

If you think that Islam does not (at least) meet the criteria of being a religion, then what are your criteria for anything being a religion?

Islam is not a religion because mohammed never even knew he was supposed to be a prophet. It was invented many decades after he was dead and buried. I suppose in a sense it was a false religion but nevertheless it was invented clearly to be simply a political ideology that sucked in an entire community who unfortunately were a bit slow in thought.

I think you'll find Christianity was 'invented' after the death of Jesus.

Do you have any criteria for anything being a religion?

I think you will find it wasn't.

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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Islamism Reply #16 - Mar 1^st, 2015 at 6:09pm SweetLambo wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 6:07pm: I think you will find it wasn't. You've not read Acts then, or know the earliest dates of the existing Gospels.
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Re: Islamism
Reply #17 - Mar 1^st, 2015 at 6:18pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 6:09pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 6:07pm:

I think you will find it wasn't.

You've not read Acts then, or know the earliest dates of the existing Gospels.

The texts used to form the doctrine of Christianity came from people that actually knew Christ.

The Quran came from no such source regarding mohammed who knew nothing about his prophetic office that was invented. Not one iota in history for 60 years until it was all invented after his death.

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Re: Islamism
Reply #18 - Mar 1^st, 2015 at 6:40pm

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 6:18pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 6:09pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 6:07pm:

I think you will find it wasn't.

You've not read Acts then, or know the earliest dates of the existing Gospels.

The texts used to form the doctrine of Christianity came from people that actually knew Christ.

Nearly all of the stories about Jesus are based on traditions without any reference to living witnesses.

Many of the stories are clearly myths...

There is no text that demonstrates any contemporary of Jesus or his family knew of the virgin birth... That myth surfaced around the end of the 1st century.

It's the same with Buddhism... What is known of Siddhartha is based on texts written centuries after his death.

And again with Judaism Israeli archeologists have now given up on finding any evidence that Moses ever existed. The Moses story is also a myth devised centuries after he was supposed to have lived.

At least Hindus don't have pretensions towards the historicity of Brahma, Shiva or Vishnu... Although their texts are full of myths.

Maybe that's one criterion for you for something being a religion... It must be based on myth!

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Re: Islamism
Reply #19 - Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:27pm

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 4:34pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 3:55pm:

Only the naive and wilfully stupid do not realise by now that Islam is a political ideology.

For all 1.6 Billion Muslims, Soren?

The reality is that for the overwhelming majority, it's a religion. For a tiny minority, it has become a political ideology... Roll Eyes

Prove it.

1. How many are estimated to make up IS?
2. How many people profess to being Muslim?
3. Subtract 1 from 2 and you'll have your difference in numbers, Soren. Roll Eyes

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Re: Islamism
Reply #20 - Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:28pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 6:40pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 6:18pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 6:09pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 6:07pm:

I think you will find it wasn't.

You've not read Acts then, or know the earliest dates of the existing Gospels.

The texts used to form the doctrine of Christianity came from people that actually knew Christ.

Nearly all of the stories about Jesus are based on traditions without any reference to living witnesses.

Many of the stories are clearly myths...

There is no text that demonstrates any contemporary of Jesus or his family knew of the virgin birth... That myth surfaced around the end of the 1st century.

It's the same with Buddhism... What is known of Siddhartha is based on texts written centuries after his death.

And again with Judaism Israeli archeologists have now given up on finding any evidence that Moses ever existed. The Moses story is also a myth devised centuries after he was supposed to have lived.

At least Hindus don't have pretensions towards the historicity of Brahma, Shiva or Vishnu... Although their texts are full of myths.

Maybe that's one criterion for you for something being a religion... It must be based on myth!

Go away and do some study and then come back here and we can chat on the same level.

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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.

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Re: Islamism
Reply #21 - Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:27pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 4:34pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 3:55pm:

Only the naive and wilfully stupid do not realise by now that Islam is a political ideology.

For all 1.6 Billion Muslims, Soren?

The reality is that for the overwhelming majority, it's a religion. For a tiny minority, it has become a political ideology... Roll Eyes

Prove it.

1. How many are estimated to make up IS?
2. How many people profess to being Muslim?
3. Subtract 1 from 2 and you'll have your difference in numbers, Soren. Roll Eyes

Incorrect for obvious reasons.

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Re: Islamism
Reply #22 - Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:31pm

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:27pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 4:34pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 3:55pm:

Only the naive and wilfully stupid do not realise by now that Islam is a political ideology.

For all 1.6 Billion Muslims, Soren?

The reality is that for the overwhelming majority, it's a religion. For a tiny minority, it has become a political ideology... Roll Eyes

Prove it.

1. How many are estimated to make up IS?
2. How many people profess to being Muslim?
3. Subtract 1 from 2 and you'll have your difference in numbers, Soren. Roll Eyes

Incorrect for obvious reasons.

Which are? I'm always interested in seeing my logic debunked... Roll Eyes

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Islamism Reply #23 - Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:36pm Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:31pm: SweetLambo wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:29pm: [quote author=Brian_Ross link=1425186210/19#19 date=1425202062] Incorrect for obvious reasons. Which are? I'm always interested in seeing my logic debunked... Not much point asking this guy...
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SweetLambo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1271	Re: Islamism Reply #24 - Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:44pm If you had logic in the first place instead of incoherent matty rants everywhere it would actually be more interesting brain.
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Re: Islamism
Reply #25 - Mar 1^st, 2015 at 8:27pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:31pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:29pm:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1425186210/19#19 date=1425202062]

Incorrect for obvious reasons.

Which are? I'm always interested in seeing my logic debunked... Roll Eyes

Not much point asking this guy...

I may agree with you but do like watching Matty/et al. squirm under my boot... Grin

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Re: Islamism
Reply #26 - Mar 1^st, 2015 at 8:28pm

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:44pm:

If you had logic in the first place instead of incoherent matty rants everywhere it would actually be more interesting brain.

Sorry? Are you suggesting in your usual trollish way that I am:

1. Matty?
2. Posting incoherently?
3. Ranting?

If you are, then I'd suggest your trolling is reaching new depths! Roll Eyes

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18334 Gender:	Re: Islamism Reply #27 - Mar 1^st, 2015 at 8:34pm SweetLambo wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:44pm: If you had logic in the first place instead of incoherent matty rants everywhere it would actually be more interesting brain. Brian has his own forum, nobody posts there so he comes here.
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Reply #28 - Mar 1^st, 2015 at 9:12pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:27pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 4:34pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 3:55pm:

Only the naive and wilfully stupid do not realise by now that Islam is a political ideology.

For all 1.6 Billion Muslims, Soren?

The reality is that for the overwhelming majority, it's a religion. For a tiny minority, it has become a political ideology... Roll Eyes

Prove it.

1. How many are estimated to make up IS?
2. How many people profess to being Muslim?
3. Subtract 1 from 2 and you'll have your difference in numbers, Soren. Roll Eyes

I'd say about 90% of Muslims are keeping their fingers crossed for IS. They may be queasy about the blood-thirsty brutality but they are keen on the Islamic caliphate wheeze. They are certainly keen on ending the Western settlement of the Middle East, they are keen on the eradication of Israel and the redrawing of the map.

Ask a 'moderate' Muslim about Israel and see the spittle fly.

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SweetLambo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1271	Re: Islamism Reply #29 - Mar 1^st, 2015 at 9:19pm Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 8:34pm: SweetLambo wrote on Mar 1^st, 2015 at 7:44pm: If you had logic in the first place instead of incoherent matty rants everywhere it would actually be more interesting brain. Brian has his own forum, nobody posts there so he comes here. masterbateandrelate ?
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