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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49402 At my desk.	Re: How to deal with ISIS Aussies? Reply #30 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:29pm polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 11:07am: freediver wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 6:05pm: Jail them. Stop them from going. That would require being able to identify them before they leave - which evidently not even their own families have been able to do in many cases. So put them in jail when they get back.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: How to deal with ISIS Aussies? Reply #31 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:33pm which is the current policy anyway...
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Reply #32 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:21pm:

Oh well that settles that then eh Baron Cheesy

You can literally twist any act of military aggression into an act of "self defense".

US new-cons were seriously calling the Iraq invasion self defense. In fact I'm sure you do too Baron.

FD will jump in any moment and make some brilliant quip mocking the idea that Muhammad acted in self defense.

I don't see any evidence of kurds starting this fight with devout muslims.

Not a single coalition soldier was killed in the Kurdish part of Iraq when Saddam was booted out, the Kurds were the only locals to fight with the coalition in removing Saddam.

Kurdish kids were waving home made USA flags and singing the star spangled banner when the Americans came to their part of Iraq.

Turkey helps the Islamic state,Turkey prevents Kurds from crossing their border to help Kurds in Kobane.

Turkey will not fight the Islamic state yet they are happy to attack and bomb the kurds.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: How to deal with ISIS Aussies? Reply #33 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:37pm You miss the point - as always Baron.
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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18774 Gender:	Re: How to deal with ISIS Aussies? Reply #34 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:39pm polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:37pm: You miss the point - as always Baron. What point was that Gandalf?
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Reply #35 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:33pm:

which is the current policy anyway...

Not current practice, as far as I can tell. Hopefully they are just giving them enough rope.

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FD will jump in any moment and make some brilliant quip mocking the idea that Muhammad acted in self defense.

Do you think that Muhammed's military acts and pillaging were self defense?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: How to deal with ISIS Aussies? Reply #36 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:40pm Quote: What point was that Gandalf? that a meaningless piece of paper won't deter the Kurds from acting aggressively if it suits their strategic interests.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: How to deal with ISIS Aussies? Reply #37 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:43pm freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:40pm: Do you think that Muhammed's military acts and pillaging were self defense? GAFAWWWWWWW me = totally pwn3d
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Reply #38 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 5:20pm

|dev|null wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 11:45am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 7:50am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 7:24am:

And that further resurgent sense of Kurdish identity and prowess that the defeat of IS will bring, Turkey fears more than IS.

Correct.

And this in turn will see yet another stream of 'persecuted' Muslims entering Australia on the Refugees bandwagon.

Sensei, weren't you are refugee? Why do you want to pull the drawbridge up, now that you're inside? Grin

I think the correct term is "boat person". Or, in the lingo of the day, "10 pound pom". Sensei now weighs far more than that, of course.

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 11:17am:

I don't know why the government doesn't let them go. If they don't get killed they won't come back to face a hefty prison term. Plus soon they'll be blocked from coming back. Get rid of them!!!!

The problem is, that as Australian citizens, they have a right to return to Australia. So they go off, become trained killers, and then (those still alive) they come back to Australia. They can then carry their atrocities out more effectively and more stealthily.

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See Profile For Update wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:58pm:

Why the bugger did I get stuck on a planet chalked full of imbeciles?

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Reply #39 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 5:26pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 5:20pm:

|dev|null wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 11:45am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 7:50am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 7:24am:

And that further resurgent sense of Kurdish identity and prowess that the defeat of IS will bring, Turkey fears more than IS.

Correct.

And this in turn will see yet another stream of 'persecuted' Muslims entering Australia on the Refugees bandwagon.

Sensei, weren't you are refugee? Why do you want to pull the drawbridge up, now that you're inside? Grin

I think the correct term is "boat person". Or, in the lingo of the day, "10 pound pom". Sensei now weighs far more than that, of course.

He also costs far more than that! Perhaps we should put him in a package and post him to the PRC? I am sure he would be welcomed there! Cheesy

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two minutes hate wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 11:17am:

I don't know why the government doesn't let them go. If they don't get killed they won't come back to face a hefty prison term. Plus soon they'll be blocked from coming back. Get rid of them!!!!

The problem is, that as Australian citizens, they have a right to return to Australia. So they go off, become trained killers, and then (those still alive) they come back to Australia. They can then carry their atrocities out more effectively and more stealthily.

You are assuming that they will return and carry out what ever nefarious purpose you believe they have in mind. What happens if they just come to have a nice roast cooked by their mum, instead? Grin

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Re: How to deal with ISIS Aussies?
Reply #40 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 6:43pm

|dev|null wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 5:26pm:

He also costs far more than that! Perhaps we should put him in a package and post him to the PRC? I am sure he would be welcomed there!

Maybe, but only as Stir Fry Surprise!

|dev|null wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 5:26pm:

You are assuming that they will return and carry out what ever nefarious purpose you believe they have in mind. What happens if they just come to have a nice roast cooked by their mum, instead?

Well, that's too bad. They first have to pay for their part in the Bad Things (tm) they've done overseas before they can have any roast. The closest they can have is a roasting in Gitmo, and when they leave they can have an anal roasting 3 times a week from Bubba in Gaol. Then they can go home to momma's roast pork.

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See Profile For Update wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:58pm:

Why the bugger did I get stuck on a planet chalked full of imbeciles?

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Re: How to deal with ISIS Aussies?
Reply #41 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 7:58pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 11:17am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 7:24am:

And that further resurgent sense of Kurdish identity and prowess that the defeat of IS will bring, Turkey fears more than IS.

Clearly Turkey wants IS to do enough damage to both the Kurds and Assad to eliminate them both as a threat to Turkey.

The chances of IS damaging the Kurds' cause is virtually nil...

The enormity is gargantuan between what the Kurds have to gain by fighting for their homeland compared to the cause of the Islamist trash that oozes out of the west as cannon fodder for the Islamist garbage already in the ME.

And that the IS actions advance the cause of Israel has got to be the most laughably ironic outcome of this filthy mess.

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Reply #42 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 8:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 4:42pm:

miketrees wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 4:41pm:

If they were just kids I would do anything to stop them going to Syria.

If they are adults that should know better, I would encourage them to go, not keen on them coming back tho.

Why not? They are, afterall, Australians and as Australians they are as Australian as you, me, Soren, FD or Gandalf... Roll Eyes

They may be like you and Gandalf but they are definitely not like me.

Appears you don't think you're as Australian as two other members, Soren.

No, I would not want to be like you (who would??).

Nor like Gandy, insofar as he is a devout Muslim. I think Islam is completely incompatible with Western culture and values. Completely.

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Reply #43 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 8:41pm

Soren wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 8:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 5:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 4:42pm:

miketrees wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2015 at 4:41pm:

If they were just kids I would do anything to stop them going to Syria.

If they are adults that should know better, I would encourage them to go, not keen on them coming back tho.

Why not? They are, afterall, Australians and as Australians they are as Australian as you, me, Soren, FD or Gandalf... Roll Eyes

They may be like you and Gandalf but they are definitely not like me.

Appears you don't think you're as Australian as two other members, Soren.

No, I would not want to be like you (who would??).

Nor like Gandy, insofar as he is a devout Muslim. I think Islam is completely incompatible with Western culture and values. Completely.

I'm glad you represent a minority, Soren. I really am. Makes life just so much easier for the majority of us Australians... Roll Eyes

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Reply #44 - Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 10:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2015 at 12:40pm:

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What point was that Gandalf?

that a meaningless piece of paper won't deter the Kurds from acting aggressively if it suits their strategic interests.

LOL

gandalf,

Don't you mean......

'a meaningless piece of paper won't deter the Kurds moslems from acting aggressively if it suits their strategic interests.'

Google
hudaibiya treaty

Essentially, ISLAMIC doctrine urges 'the moslem' to make a peace treaty pursue a truce with an enemy, whenever moslems cannot defeat a stronger enemy.

AND, ISLAMIC doctrine urges moslems to wait, and to work gather their forces/strength, ......and as soon as 'the moslem' perceives that he can defeat the infidel, he should re-engage in warfare/hostilities with his enemy.

e.g.

IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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