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Reply #90 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 5:12pm

moses wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

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Nope. I'm interested in your explanation. Sometimes a question is just a question Moses

There's nothing to explain as you've just learned, you quoted one verse as an excuse, I responded with 7 (there are more) which venerate the islamic act of muslims finding death while slaughtering their fellow human beings.

I note you avoided my question. Why? Was it too difficult? Cheesy

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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: These monsters live among us - in Norway, and in A Reply #91 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 5:14pm 7 to 1 in favour of muslims seeking death while slaughtering the fellow humans, is the answer
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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: These monsters live among us - in Norway, and in A Reply #93 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 5:30pm The explanation remains the same: A single verse in the qur'an which is refuted by a factor of 7 to 1 (actually there are more) remains just that, a single verse contradicted many times over in the qur'an.
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Re: These monsters live among us - in Norway, and in A
Reply #94 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 7:11pm

moses wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

Clearly 156 is in effect saying: The muslims who went out to fight and found death would still be alive if they had stayed at home.

'going out to fight' can mean defending yourself against invasion - agreed? I suppose this can technically be interpreted as "slaughtering other humans" - but it would be rather misleading wouldn't you agree?

The rules of engagement have been spelled out clearly in other parts of the Quran which makes it abundantly clear that self defense is the only permissible form of fighting. You exposed your misunderstanding of these conditions before, so lets not go over that again.

You are also being blatantly dishonest by trying to pretend that there are not two activities that are mentioned in relation to this martyrdom - "travelling through the land" (from your own translation), as well as fighting.

Even if all your baseless assumptions from non-existent Quranic verses about the true meaning of "fighting" in Islam were perfectly accurate - making the leap and say that this particular verse unquestionably means "physically murdering people or dying in the act of slaughtering other humans" - is tenuous to say the least.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #95 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 7:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 4:19pm:

Oh I'm sorry S - you weren't actually implying that the protesting muslims were mindless/fanatic automatons because muslims in general are mindless/fanatic automatons - in a similar way to how you ascribe every last individual woman who dons a hijab as a mindless campaigner for barbaric laws.

No, of course not Soren - its not like you at all to imply in any way that muslims generally are blind, mindless and/or fanatics is it? in fact you were pointing out what a contrast these muslims make to muslims in the wider community - amrite? Tongue

Not implying any such thing.

WHat I am saying is that the mobs who participate in Islamic protests about cartoons, youtube vids, and are jiving about dissing da prophet etc ARE low-brow, low IQ, knuckle-dragging nice people and you can tell by looking at them.

Look at these two clowns, carrying on as if they were secertly determined to mock and ridicule Islam. They are complaining about people mocking them for their beards!!!! PRICELESS. They do look like a pair d!ckheads. As if you could take such drongos seriously.

Video embedded at this Daily Mail page:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3106029/They-actually-dancing-street-mus...

Ridiculous and frightening at the same time. This is what you are up against, Gandy, these are the people who are f Vcking up all your 'statements of concern', and all your feeble appeals to the non-existent mainstream. These are the conviction Muslims. They are saying NOTHING doctrinally incorrect.

What is it about hair, Gandy? Men show off they stupid beards, women cover up their natural hair? Is islam some sort of offshoot of the Jewish secret society of hairdressers??

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Secret Wars Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3928 Gender:	Re: These monsters live among us - in Norway, and in A Reply #96 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 7:21pm Morons debating words in a book if certain acts are condoned or not is moronic, because other morons don't give a poo and are themselves using the words in the book to condone their activities and they don't care that other morons think that their interpretations are wrong.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: These monsters live among us - in Norway, and in A Reply #97 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 7:30pm Soren wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 7:16pm: WHat I am saying is that the mobs who participate in Islamic protests about cartoons, youtube vids, and are jiving about dissing da prophet Oh look, Soren's shifted the goalposts already.
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Reply #98 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 7:46pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 7:30pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 7:16pm:

WHat I am saying is that the mobs who participate in Islamic protests about cartoons, youtube vids, and are jiving about dissing da prophet

Oh look, Soren's shifted the goalposts already.

Thanks for the taqiyya, pal.

Soren wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2015 at 7:48pm:

Look at any crowd scene of Islamic protests and you will see the faces of dull, stupid fanatics.

Look at a crowd of Islamic protesters and then look at a photo of, say, Australians walking for reconciliation.

And believe the difference.

BE REAL, BRO. It's all in the facial hair.

CAREFUL, BRO!!

I want to cut and style hair:

Greenacre Muslims brothers are forming a protective ring around Muslim bakery...... It's all about Peace Submission, innit?

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Re: These monsters live among us - in Norway, and in A
Reply #99 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 8:44pm

Soren wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

Thanks for the taqiyya, pal.

You seem to be having difficulty understanding your own deceit.

On June 2 you said muslims at "Islamic protests" (universally) act like mindless zombies.

Some time between then and today it must have dawned on you that "Islamic protests" consist of more than just cartoon and prophet offending protests. For example muslims are quite keen on protesting against oppression and occupation - you know, reasonable things to protest about. Your original statement came across - presumably even to you - as somewhat sweeping and (dare I say it) "sectarian", so you quietly adjusted it and - yes - shifted the goalposts.

Poor Soren, the man who condemns people who refuse to treat people as individuals - by.... refusing to treat people as individuals Cheesy

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: These monsters live among us - in Norway, and in A
Reply #100 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 9:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

Thanks for the taqiyya, pal.

You seem to be having difficulty understanding your own deceit.

On June 2 you said muslims at "Islamic protests" (universally) act like mindless zombies.

Some time between then and today it must have dawned on you that "Islamic protests" consist of more than just cartoon and prophet offending protests. For example muslims are quite keen on protesting against oppression and occupation - you know, reasonable things to protest about. Your original statement came across - presumably even to you - as somewhat sweeping and (dare I say it) "sectarian", so you quietly adjusted it and - yes - shifted the goalposts.

Poor Soren, the man who condemns people who refuse to treat people as individuals - by.... refusing to treat people as individuals Cheesy

Only Muslims oppress and occupy Muslims, nobody else - see Syria, Iraq, Yemen, anywhere.

All the Islamic protests are about crap issues like Cartoons, books vids. There is no Muslim groundswell for secular democracy, no Muslim masses are calling for the separation of politics from the Koran.

The bearded numpties of Greenacre ARE mainstream Islam.

Frightening.

Islamics are low-brow dickheads.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 41281	Re: These monsters live among us - in Norway, and in A Reply #101 - Jun 4^th, 2015 at 10:15pm Are you applying to become the new President of FIFA, Soren? You seem to be having as much fun as Mr. Blatta, moving the goal posts around the playing the field!
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Re: These monsters live among us - in Norway, and in A
Reply #102 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 7:10am

Soren wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Only Muslims oppress and occupy Muslims, nobody else - see Syria, Iraq, Yemen, anywhere.

The Rhohingiya are listed by the UN as one of the most oppressed people on earth.

Soren wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 9:15pm:

There is no Muslim groundswell for secular democracy

certifiable stool.

The largest muslim country on earth is a secular democracy - by popular demand.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #103 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:18am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

Thanks for the taqiyya, pal.

You seem to be having difficulty understanding your own deceit.

On June 2 you said muslims at "Islamic protests" (universally) act like mindless zombies.

Some time between then and today it must have dawned on you that "Islamic protests" consist of more than just cartoon and prophet offending protests. For example muslims are quite keen on protesting against oppression and occupation - you know, reasonable things to protest about. Your original statement came across - presumably even to you - as somewhat sweeping and (dare I say it) "sectarian", so you quietly adjusted it and - yes - shifted the goalposts.

Poor Soren, the man who condemns people who refuse to treat people as individuals - by.... refusing to treat people as individuals Cheesy

Islamic protests is not Muslims protesting.

It is Muslims protesting in the name of Islam, in defence of the honour of da prophet, invariably prompted by some perceived slight in the form of a book, cartoon or some such. See the Sydney Islamic protests in 2012, the ones in England, Denmark, Germany, France.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: These monsters live among us - in Norway, and in A Reply #104 - Jun 5^th, 2015 at 10:12am I'm sorry Soren, are you saying there are never any "Islamic" protests against say Israel's occupation or Amerika's occupation of Iraq? Strange, I could have sworn a couple of my local Imams had organised several suspiciously "Islamic" protests against the treatment of the Rohingya recently.
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