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Reply #30 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 2:06pm

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/11/1227021/107794-ae2042b6-2122-11e...
Islamic community leader Jamal Rifi, with his sons Faisal and Jihad in Sydney, is urging Muslim parents to protect their children from radical influences
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/for-our-boys-gp-jamal-r...

Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences.

(I know, I know, Jihad means Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance all in one beautiful Arabic word, hijacked by dastardly headhackers)

JIHAD!!!!!! Grin

What a pack of nutters.

Matty, you've got to stop being so judgemental all the time! Grin

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Reply #31 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 2:10pm

|dev|null wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/11/1227021/107794-ae2042b6-2122-11e...
Islamic community leader Jamal Rifi, with his sons Faisal and Jihad in Sydney, is urging Muslim parents to protect their children from radical influences
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/for-our-boys-gp-jamal-r...

Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences.

(I know, I know, Jihad means Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance all in one beautiful Arabic word, hijacked by dastardly headhackers)

JIHAD!!!!!! Grin

What a pack of nutters.

Matty, you've got to stop being so judgemental all the time! Grin

That's like calling your kid Hitler!!

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Reply #32 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 2:59pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Soren, do you commend Dr Jamal for being outspoken in his criticism of radical islam and his efforts to promote peace and harmony within the islamic community?

WITHIN THE POSSIBLE 'UNIVERSE' OF 'JIHAD OPERATIONS', TWO EXTREMES OF PARTICIPATION AND 'MEANINGFUL' EFFORT EXIST ------- >

1/ Persons like Aussie Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq [and Boko Haram in Nigeria] support a violent 'sledge hammer' style of Jihad.

2/ And imo, Dr Jamal Rifi, the moslem [who lives here, in Australia, within a strong non-moslem jurisdiction], is fully engaged in Stealth Jihad.

THE TWO FACES OF THE 'AUSSIE MOSLEM' ----------- >

IMAGE #1....
http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2014/07/30/1227007/610484-6efa2fec-17af-11e4-8b83-8df6d69c6921.jpg

Aussie Mohamed Elomar [wanna-be MOSLEM HOMICIDAL MANIAC], while in Astralia,

A MOSLEM 'BOY', HAVING TO 'SUFFER' BEING 'CONSTRAINED' BY THE LAWS OF AUSTRALIA.

IMAGE #2....
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/25/article-0-1FF53F8400000578-353_634x351.jpg

Aussie Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq, having reverted to type.

MOSLEM HOMICIDAL MANIAC - 'AT HOME ON THE RANGE' WHERE THE LAWS OF ALLAH PREVAIL

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Pay attention to the description of these two circumstances, SANITY and INSANITY ------ >

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Quote:

A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.

Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0

All moslems, imo, have a damaged [destroyed!!!] psyche.

And [predominantly] it isn't the freedoms and laws of Australian society, nor, the influence of 'discriminatory' Australian's, who are responsible for damaging the psyche of moslems [i.e. FOR 'RADICALISING' MOSLEMS].

It is ISLAM, which is doing that!

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Yadda said....
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ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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Stealth Jihad ?

Google it!

Please watch this YT...

Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

Google;
destroy western civilization from within, destroy "its miserable house"

Google;
western nations face huge threat from stealth jihad

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Re: Dr Jamal Rifi - is on ABC, Australia Story tonight
Reply #33 - Mar 11^th, 2015 at 3:23pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Soren, do you commend Dr Jamal for being outspoken in his criticism of radical islam and his efforts to promote peace and harmony within the islamic community?

My argument, against the presumed and declared virtue, of the 'good' Dr is this ------- >

Yadda wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 10:31am:

PROPOSITION;
Dr Jamal Rifi presents himself to us [to Australia], as a 'good and decent moslem', who loves, and is so grateful to Australia, and Australians.

If that is so, then why is a 'good and decent' person like Dr Jamal Rifi happy to belong to, and be a member of, the moslem community in Australia ?

I ask that question, because the moslem community support and promote a philosophy [ISLAM] which actually encourages its members [moslems!] to to fight against and murder [i.e. engage in religious violence, Jihad, against] those who reject ISLAM's 'invitation'.

QUESTIONS;
Why would a 'good and decent' person [such as Dr Jamal Rifi], defend such a murderous and intolerant philosophy [ISLAM] ?

Why would a 'good and decent' person [such as Dr Jamal Rifi], willingly be a member of a community of people, who support and promote the spread of a murderous and intolerant philosophy [ISLAM] ?

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Yadda said....
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There is no 'peaceful' ISLAM.

There is no 'tolerant' ISLAM.

There is no moderate ISLAM.

ISLAM is a vicious, murderous and deceitful, death cult

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THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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Yadda said....
Quote:

ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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Luke 16:31

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Reply #35 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 12:44pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences.

Soren, do you commend Dr Jamal for being outspoken in his criticism of radical islam and his efforts to promote peace and harmony within the islamic community?

If you are a Muslim and not a complete nutter is now worthy of commendation? Being outspokenly normal is the special effort in that community, attracting praise for its uniqueness.

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Reply #36 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 2:51pm

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences.

Soren, do you commend Dr Jamal for being outspoken in his criticism of radical islam and his efforts to promote peace and harmony within the islamic community?

If you are a Muslim and not a complete nutter is now worthy of commendation? Being outspokenly normal is the special effort in that community, attracting praise for its uniqueness.

So every aussie muslim in aus is a nutter?

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Reply #37 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 2:55pm

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

|dev|null wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/11/1227021/107794-ae2042b6-2122-11e...
Islamic community leader Jamal Rifi, with his sons Faisal and Jihad in Sydney, is urging Muslim parents to protect their children from radical influences
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/for-our-boys-gp-jamal-r...

Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences.

(I know, I know, Jihad means Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance all in one beautiful Arabic word, hijacked by dastardly headhackers)

JIHAD!!!!!! Grin

What a pack of nutters.

Matty, you've got to stop being so judgemental all the time! Grin

That's like calling your kid Hitler!!

How many of your children have you named Hitler, Matty? Grin

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Reply #38 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 3:15pm

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So every aussie muslim in aus is a nutter?

if you believe the filth and degenerate islamic tenets of:

jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, self alienation from normal society, hate speech, torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters, a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc.

are infallible, perfect and can never be changed, you're an insane muslim nutter all right.

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Reply #39 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 3:46pm

moses wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

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So every aussie muslim in aus is a nutter?

if you believe the filth and degenerate islamic tenets of:

jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, self alienation from normal society, hate speech, torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters, a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc.

are infallible, perfect and can never be changed, you're an insane muslim nutter all right.

And in reality, how many educated Muslims believe that? Grin

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Reply #40 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 5:56pm

|dev|null wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

And in reality, how many educated Muslims believe that ? [Yadda - i.e. THAT ISLAM PROMOTES 'STUFF' LIKE LYING, POLITICAL INTIMIDATION, HATRED, AND 'LAWFUL' MURDER]

#1,
AN EXAMPLE, OF WHAT EDUCATED MOSLEMS BOTH BELIEVE AND ENDORSE, AS A 'RIGHTLY GUIDED' WORLDVIEW....
....BEING INSPIRED BY, AND SOURCED FROM, MAINSTREAM ISLAM -------- >

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC religious scholar, Sayyid Qutb

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#2,
AN EXAMPLE, OF WHAT EDUCATED MOSLEMS BOTH BELIEVE AND ENDORSE, AS A 'RIGHTLY GUIDED' WORLDVIEW....
....BEING INSPIRED BY, AND SOURCED FROM, MAINSTREAM ISLAM -------- >

"ISLAM is a peaceful, tolerant faith."

....insist an international coterie of Islamic scholars who all back MAINSTREAM ISLAMIC doctrines.

Quote:

6 Elements of ‘Extremist’ Islam That ‘Moderate’ Muslims Endorsed as They Condemned the Islamic State
Robert Spencer Sep 30, 2014

Hamas-linked CAIR and an international coterie of Islamic scholars condemned the Islamic State.

In doing so, they endorsed jihad warfare, dhimmitude, stoning for adultery, amputation for theft, the death penalty for apostasy, and the necessity of the caliphate.....

At last, moderate Islam! The Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Fiqh Council of North America held a press conference in Washington on Wednesday at which they announced with great fanfare that they had refuted the religious ideology of the Islamic State. They issued this lengthy “open letter” (not, interestingly enough, a fatwa) addressed to the Islamic State’s caliph Ibrahim, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, explaining how he was misunderstanding Islam.

[BUT.....] In fact, the “moderates” who signed on to this open letter have ended up endorsing elements of Islam that most non-Muslim Westerners consider to be “extremist.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/robert-spencer-in-pj-media-6-elements-of-extre...
http://pjmedia.com/blog/6-elements-of-extremist-islam-that-moderate-muslims-endo...

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#3,
AN EXAMPLE, OF WHAT EDUCATED MOSLEMS BOTH BELIEVE AND ENDORSE, AS A 'RIGHTLY GUIDED' WORLDVIEW....
....BEING INSPIRED BY, AND SOURCED FROM, MAINSTREAM ISLAM -------- >

Quote:

Physical jihad is the pinnacle of Islam, and some scholars regarded it as the sixth pillar of Islam.
June 13, 2013 · by muwahhidmedia · in Jihad · 2 Comments

The Muslims have neglected jihad for a long time, so they deserve the punishment of Allah, to be humiliated, belittled and defeated. That humiliation will never be lifted from them until they come back to their religion as the Prophet (salla Allahu alayhi wa salam) said:

.......One of the strangest things to note is that we are living in a time when some of the Muslims are embarrassed to quote the verses and ahadith on jihad in front of their kaafir friends.

Their faces turn red because they are too shy to mention the rulings on the djizyah, slavery and killing prisoners of war.

They wish that they could erase these verses and ahadith from the Qur’aan and Sunnah so that they would not be criticized by this world with its backward principles despite its claims to be civilized.

If they cannot erase them then they try to misinterpret them and distort their meanings so that they suit the whims and desires of their masters. I will not say so that they suit their whims and desires, for they are too weak to have their own whims and desires, and too ignorant. Rather it is the whims and desires of their masters and teachers among the missionaries and colonialists, the enemies of Islam.”

http://muwahhidmedia.com/2013/06/13/physical-jihad-is-the-pinnacle-of-islam-and-...

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#4,
AN EXAMPLE, OF WHAT EDUCATED MOSLEMS BOTH BELIEVE AND ENDORSE, AS A 'RIGHTLY GUIDED' WORLDVIEW....
....BEING INSPIRED BY, AND SOURCED FROM, MAINSTREAM ISLAM -------- >

IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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Reply #41 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 10:31pm

|dev|null wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

moses wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

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So every aussie muslim in aus is a nutter?

if you believe the filth and degenerate islamic tenets of:

jihad, hijrah, taqiyya and kitman, self alienation from normal society, hate speech, torture and murder of hypocrites / disbelievers / corrupters, a prophet of islam has to be a mass murderer etc. etc.

are infallible, perfect and can never be changed, you're an insane muslim nutter all right.

And in reality, how many educated Muslims believe that? Grin

Is it possible to be educated, well-adjusted - and still believe in the Koran and hadith?

The question for the ages. Thanks for articulating it despite yourself.

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Reply #42 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 10:39pm

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences.

Soren, do you commend Dr Jamal for being outspoken in his criticism of radical islam and his efforts to promote peace and harmony within the islamic community?

If you are a Muslim and not a complete nutter is now worthy of commendation? Being outspokenly normal is the special effort in that community, attracting praise for its uniqueness.

Actually, old boy, it’s not possible, remember? Always, absolutely, never ever.

You must have forgot.

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Reply #43 - Mar 12^th, 2015 at 10:57pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 10:39pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 11^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

Mebbe not calling your kid jihad would be a way protecting him from, er..., radical influences.

Soren, do you commend Dr Jamal for being outspoken in his criticism of radical islam and his efforts to promote peace and harmony within the islamic community?

If you are a Muslim and not a complete nutter is now worthy of commendation

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Being outspokenly normal is the special effort in that community, attracting praise for its uniqueness.

Actually, old boy, it’s not possible, remember? Always, absolutely, never ever.

You must have forgot.

I know, hence my rhetorical question mark.

Nobody believes the sh!te about Rifi being a representative Muslim voice. There wouldn't be a Muslim problem if Rifi was representative. Rifi is significant precisely because he is not representative of Muslims. It wouldn't have taken so long for someone like him to surface of he was really the norm.

And even he named his boy Jihad. And that's supposed to be the voice f sanity among western Muslims.

"Heil, ve are German immigrants to Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Israel, Ostraya. Ve really vant to fit in.
Zoo, ve call all our firstborn boyz Adolf and dress in national SS Totenkopf uniform. Nuffin to do wiv nuffin'. Do not read anyfink into it, you anti-aryan oppressor'i

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