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Reply #30 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 3:08pm

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Some people choose to pay per semester up front to take advantage of the discount. (Of course you know all about that being a male gyncelogist/taxi driver from Pakistan.) Spasticus is under the impression that democracy means that tax payers are forbidden from having an opinion in how their elected representatives spend tax revenue. Fascinating!

Anyone reading my response (except you I suppose) would have understood my reply to be reinforcing the right of taxpayers to have an opinion about how their tax $$$$is spent. If you choose not to pay your share of educating the community I choose not to pay for so called "boarder security" "defence" nd business handouts.

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Reply #31 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 4:07pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Money paid in taxes is used by the government to provide services through the bureaucracy staffed by public servants.
this is an inefficient way to improve peoples lives.

Myth.

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As our low taxing Asian neighbours have shown,

Cherrypicking.

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with much bigger boosts in growth, real wages and productivity, the private sector will always outperform the government sector .

Another myth.

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As such, the beast (Canberra) should be starved.

Emotive language doesn't make a good argument either.

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The correct model

Your asserting that it is "correct" does not make it so.

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for a happy successful country is to give out as much in tax cuts as possible.

False.

Plenty of countries have much higher tax rates than Australia but the people are happy with it because the government provides a lot of stuff for free. Scandinavian countries like Denmark, Norway, Sweden have high tax rates (40% of GDP) but their people get free health care, free education, free child care and so on. Ever wonder why you meet so many Scandinavian backpackers?

Australia's tax to GDP ratio is already lower than the majority of OECD countries.

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then balance the budget by reducing the size of government.

That is an arse-backwards way of running things.

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when private hospitals, private schools, private telecommunications, private electricity providers, private toll roads all consistently out perform the government sector, then this policy is the policy of a "clever ' country.

These institutions suck just as hard on the taxpayers' teat as publicly-funded equivalents, in some cases more (eg: private schools).

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If you want government control of everything, move to north korea.

I prefer Denmark. The people are good people and the government pays for so much more than they pay for here.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply #32 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 4:11pm aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 2:41pm: starve the beast. What beast? Would you prefer toll roads everywhere with all that money fattening the wallets of the unworthy idle rich?
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Reply #33 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 4:13pm

Kat wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 2:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 2:46pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

no-one is seriously arguing that the tax payer gets good value for money from Canberra

how can you argue otherwise? considering the relatively small amount of tax that most people pay, we enjoy the highest standard of living in the world.

Imagine how high it could be if everyone paid their share, instead of pissing and moaning
about 'debt' and 'surplus' while trying to force all of society's costs onto the least well-off.

The last society that tried to force the least well off to contribute the most to supporting society was pre-revolutionary France.

For the wealthy, it did not end well.

Liberté, égalité, fraternité.

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Reply #34 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 4:37pm

Bam wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

starve the beast.

What beast?
Huh

Would you prefer toll roads everywhere with all that money fattening the wallets of the unworthy idle rich?

Just because......quote from the biggest hypocritical poster contender 2015.

Meet Bam.

"Emotive language doesn't make a good argument either"

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Reply #35 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 5:30pm

Bam wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 2:41pm:

starve the beast.

What beast?
Huh

Would you prefer toll roads everywhere with all that money fattening the wallets of the unworthy idle rich?

you are seriously misguided Bam,
the scandinavians are incredibly productive people with lots of Ikeas. volvos, eriksens, saabs. they have world leading cutting edge technology.
they have the cream.

we have hills hoists and victa mowers, we have shiite.

they are high taxing through VAT or sales taxes ie GST.
they dont have a top marginal rate of 50 % as australia does.

I'm all for lifting the GST and having income tax cuts.

the wealth of a nations state depends solely on its productivity. canberra (last time i looked) produces nothing.

Qld and WA and some parts of regional Vic and NSW and a few select areas in sydney and melbourne are "productive"

to take money from an area of "production" and send it to an area of "non production" is to see the productivity of the nation be reduced.

as an example, if the tax paid by the miners and farmers was left in the mining and farming sectors, they would be able to reinvest this and "grow" the economy.

to suggest that taxing the more productive elements and using that money in "non productive" areas improves our economy is ludicrous.

if we were to say increase the tax on mining farming and tourism (productive) and use the money , once it arrived in canberra to increase the dole (non productive) this has to reduce the nations GDP.

better to always support the productive elements of society and remember that a rising tide lifts all boats.

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Reply #36 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:05pm

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Some people choose to pay per semester up front to take advantage of the discount. (Of course you know all about that being a male gyncelogist/taxi driver from Pakistan.) Spasticus is under the impression that democracy means that tax payers are forbidden from having an opinion in how their elected representatives spend tax revenue. Fascinating!

Some people do, Homo, but why would a truckdriving jockohomo from Western Sydney do this?

I’m.curious.

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Reply #37 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:05pm

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Some people choose to pay per semester up front to take advantage of the discount. (Of course you know all about that being a male gyncelogist/taxi driver from Pakistan.) Spasticus is under the impression that democracy means that tax payers are forbidden from having an opinion in how their elected representatives spend tax revenue. Fascinating!

Some people do, Homo, but why would a truckdriving jockohomo from Western Sydney do this?

I’m.curious.

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Reply #38 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:09pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Some people choose to pay per semester up front to take advantage of the discount. (Of course you know all about that being a male gyncelogist/taxi driver from Pakistan.) Spasticus is under the impression that democracy means that tax payers are forbidden from having an opinion in how their elected representatives spend tax revenue. Fascinating!

Some people do, Homo, but why would a truckdriving jockohomo from Western Sydney do this?

I’m.curious.

I’m.curious.

Yes you can tell - you had to say it twice - very curious obviously.

I have to admit to not fully understanding or being able to predict the behaviour of truckdriving jockohomo's from Western Sydney either, I also would need to have asked had I given a rats about it.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply #39 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:09pm Increase the dole and private spending increases, good for the economy.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97270	Re: ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply #40 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:11pm St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:09pm: Increase the dole and private spending increases, good for the economy. This is progress.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97270	Re: ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply #41 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:12pm St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:09pm: Increase the dole and private spending increases, good for the economy. This is progress.
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Reply #42 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:22pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:09pm:

Increase the dole and private spending increases, good for the economy.

This is progress.

nope, what good for the economy is to grow the economy.

say i had 10 racehorses on my farm.
2 good ones and 8 duds.

do i take good feed off the good ones to try and make the duds run better so they are all "equal".

whats best to grow the "profit" to grow the "economy" to make me and my 10 horse "financially secure"

i give the ABSOLUTE BEST in health care, feed, supplements and attention to the 2 good ones.

then they go and win me lots of money and i can care for the duds out of the winnings.

only a fool would not concentrate every effort on his "high achievers"

only a fool would fail to recognise that by concentrating on helping the cream "be all they can be" we all benefit.

if you take from the cream to try and produce equality, all you produce is a bankrupt business.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply #43 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:32pm I wonder if you have any horses at all. Those on the dole have no discretionary income, increase the dole and they will increase their spending. The shambles have been doing to opposite and what is the result? Highest unemployment and the slowest economy in decades.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97270	Re: ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply #44 - Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:57pm True, Aquascoot, but you put your horses down if they break a leg, don’t you? They all get sent off to the dogfood factory in the end, no? Maybe we should change the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
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