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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply #60 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:11pm aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 1:30pm: Only by leaving as much money as possible in the hands of the wealth CREATORS can wealth be CREATED. Created for whom? THEMSELVES. The biggest chick gets fed first!
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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply #61 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:13pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 1:54pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 1:30pm: Only by leaving as much money as possible in the hands of the wealth CREATORS can wealth be CREATED. The trickle down effect has been throughly disproven. Indeed.
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Reply #62 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:18pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 1:30pm:

Only by leaving as much money as possible in the hands of the wealth CREATORS can wealth be CREATED.

What a load of crap. The history of capitalism proves that this theory in practice results only in the rich using that wealth to ensure everyone else gets as little share of it as possible.

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Reply #63 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:22pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 7:14am:

I read that china has nearly 2 million students doing chinese medicine and that the course takes 8 years.
even china doesn't have enough jobs to go around and uses such 'measures' to control "civil unrest'

yes, people do need to be occupied (one of the reasons I am a massive fan of work for the dole).

earning or learning..makes sense to me.

but there are still plenty of productive things to be done (

I don't subscribe to this "there aren't enough jobs to go round

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the national parks near me are getting completely over run with lantana, feral pigs and goats....

the kids hanging out at the mall, getting bored and onto a bit of speed and then into crime could do the nation a great service by being bused to these national parks with machetes and round up.
they'd get fit, make new friends, and can have a swim in a world heritage standard waterfall.
i'd jump at the chance if I was hanging out in some hot drab housing commission squat 7 days a week.

win/win

Then it's about time you did, because it's an unavoidable fact.

Eleven people for EVERY job is 'enough jobs', is it?

Not for anyone who can count, it isn't.

And do dump the old discredited, disproven stereotyping.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply #64 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:25pm aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 1:30pm: Only by leaving as much money as possible in the hands of the wealth CREATORS can wealth be CREATED. Wealthy people do not create jobs.
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Reply #65 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:25pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 9:15pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 8:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 9^th, 2015 at 7:57pm:

True, Aquascoot, but you put your horses down if they break a leg, don’t you?

They all get sent off to the dogfood factory in the end, no?

Maybe we should change the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

no karmal not at all.

thanks to the fact that the cream horses earn so much money (becasue we look after them the best) there is plenty of surplus cash to get a vet out if one of the slow horses breaks a leg.

of course if i gave them all equal care and the cream horses werent encouraged to "be all that they can be" then when the slow ones broke a leg i'd have to get out the shottie .

so lucky for those slow ones that i have a good business model. They understand the correctness of my ideas that they will often say, when offered a cube of sugar or a carrot, "please give it to the cream of the horses boss, our future happiness depends on them"

This is such romantic twaddle. I bet you live in the city and read westerns, or something.

We are talking about the economy. It is slowing down because of the crap govt we have. Boosting the dole will allow the unemployed to spend more, boosting the economy. Can we concern ourselves with the economy not fables about horses please?

how does taking money from productive people and giving it to non productive people boost the economy george.

if you leave it with me i can buy more tractors and grow more food for export dollars.

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if you take it and give it to someone on the dole it gets spent on chinese trinkets, foreign cigarette companies and foreign fast food companies.

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and i have properties in the city and the bush so i am multi cultural. i understand how the economy works and centrelink is not a business that earns australia any foreign exchange credits . you do understand that to balance the imports of money to finance ratbag canberra schemes , we do actually have to export something.

how the f*ck does "increasing the dole " provide any sort of boost to productivity. have you gone completely bonkers.

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Reply #66 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:35pm

Kat wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:22pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 7:14am:

I read that china has nearly 2 million students doing chinese medicine and that the course takes 8 years.
even china doesn't have enough jobs to go around and uses such 'measures' to control "civil unrest'

yes, people do need to be occupied (one of the reasons I am a massive fan of work for the dole).

earning or learning..makes sense to me.

but there are still plenty of productive things to be done (

I don't subscribe to this "there aren't enough jobs to go round

).

the national parks near me are getting completely over run with lantana, feral pigs and goats....

the kids hanging out at the mall, getting bored and onto a bit of speed and then into crime could do the nation a great service by being bused to these national parks with machetes and round up.
they'd get fit, make new friends, and can have a swim in a world heritage standard waterfall.
i'd jump at the chance if I was hanging out in some hot drab housing commission squat 7 days a week.

win/win

Then it's about time you did, because it's an unavoidable fact.

Eleven people for EVERY job is 'enough jobs', is it?

Not for anyone who can count, it isn't.

And do dump the old discredited, disproven stereotyping.

You seem to think jobs come from the job fairy, or an automated job making machine. They're not something mystical - millions of people create jobs for themselves!

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Reply #67 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:43pm

... wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

You seem to think jobs come from the job fairy, or an automated job making machine. They're not something mystical - millions of people create jobs for themselves!

How many Jims franchises or Subways do you think we need?

More to the point if the captialist ethos of oversupply runs true(which it does) how are these go getters supposed to make an actual living?

How many lawns at $20 bucks a pop do you need to mow per week to cover a 300K mortgage?
What about super?
Insurance, both public libility, income protection and all the other associated business costs?

And I haven't even begun to cover C.O.L expenses.

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REBELLION is when you turn off the TV & start educating & thinking for yourself.
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Reply #68 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:48pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:43pm:

More to the point if the captialist ethos of oversupply runs true(which it does) how are these go getters supposed to make an actual living?

By identifying a niche and reconciling it with their skills. How else?
Buying a Jims franchise isn't likely to be a winning bet for anyone except Jim, (who must be a billionaire by now) because by the time Jim gets around to franchising something, that market is already saturated. Jims franchises are for the latecomers.

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Reply #70 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 9:01pm

... wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:48pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:43pm:

More to the point if the captialist ethos of oversupply runs true(which it does) how are these go getters supposed to make an actual living?

By identifying a niche and reconciling it with their skills. How else?
Buying a Jims franchise isn't likely to be a winning bet for anyone except Jim, (who must be a billionaire by now) because by the time Jim gets around to franchising something, that market is already saturated. Jims franchises are for the latecomers.

You seem to think everyone has the acumen and education to start a successful business. The statistics tell a different story - most businesses fail within a year.

Just another example of where the rightards fail at the real world.

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Reply #71 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 9:53pm

Bam wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 9:01pm:

... wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:48pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:43pm:

More to the point if the captialist ethos of oversupply runs true(which it does) how are these go getters supposed to make an actual living?

By identifying a niche and reconciling it with their skills. How else?
Buying a Jims franchise isn't likely to be a winning bet for anyone except Jim, (who must be a billionaire by now) because by the time Jim gets around to franchising something, that market is already saturated. Jims franchises are for the latecomers.

You seem to think everyone has the acumen and education to start a successful business. The statistics tell a different story - most businesses fail within a year.

Just another example of where the rightards fail at the real world.

No, everyone doesn't - but they should. It doesn't even need to be an official "business", or to make you a millionaire. Just making a hundred bucks a week from some hustle on top of your dole can make a huge difference.

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Reply #72 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 9:56pm

... wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 9:01pm:

... wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:48pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 5:43pm:

More to the point if the captialist ethos of oversupply runs true(which it does) how are these go getters supposed to make an actual living?

By identifying a niche and reconciling it with their skills. How else?
Buying a Jims franchise isn't likely to be a winning bet for anyone except Jim, (who must be a billionaire by now) because by the time Jim gets around to franchising something, that market is already saturated. Jims franchises are for the latecomers.

You seem to think everyone has the acumen and education to start a successful business. The statistics tell a different story - most businesses fail within a year.

Just another example of where the rightards fail at the real world.

No, everyone doesn't - but they should. It doesn't even need to be an official "business", or to make you a millionaire. Just making a hundred bucks a week from some hustle on top of your dole can make a huge difference.

jails are full of those guys Cheesy

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply #73 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 9:57pm That's because they are unimaginative and/or stupid. However, that applies to a lot of the general unemployed too, so they might be on borrowed time.
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Reply #74 - Mar 10^th, 2015 at 10:00pm

... wrote on Mar 10^th, 2015 at 9:57pm:

That's because they are unimaginative and/or stupid. However, that applies to a lot of the general unemployed too, so they might be on borrowed time.

the world is full of unimaginative and stupid people ... not everyone is an entrepreneur.

Not sure what makes you think there is a niche for everyone ... there isn't. If there were niches that were profitable people would be filling them.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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