Quote:
http://www.danielpipes.org/15618/islam-violence




PROPOSITION;

If ISLAM is not the primary cause, of the problem of ISLAMIC religious violence      [and that is what our political leaders [in the West] have been insistently asserting, for many decades i.e.

"ISLAM is a peaceful faith."

],
.....then we [who live here, within Western nations] cannot expect a solution will ever be formulated, by our political leaders in the 'West',
.....which will confront the growing threat of ISLAMIC supremacism in our midst [as the numbers of moslems within moslem communities continue to increase].

Denying that the problem of moslem religious violence, has any connection to what moslems [religiously] believe, means, that 'there is no problem' [to be confronted].

No problem, means, there is no problem which needs to be addressed !

"ISLAM is peace."

Always has been, always will be.






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http://thereligionofpeace.com/




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A RESPECTED MOSLEM SCHOLAR URGES MOSLEMS, IN THE UK, TO MAINTAIN A DECEITFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UK NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITY,
FOR THE PURPOSE OF MOSLEMS STRENGTHENING A MALICIOUS AND VIOLENT INTENT [on the moslem part, towards those who are not moslems];

Quote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece






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Moslems are innocent, and virtuous people.

Q.
How do we know this ?

A.
Because moslems tell us this is so.            





Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

Soren wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 7:30pm:


Frankly I don't believe they said the highlighted part. I think you just made that up as a segue for your rant.

But their point about the inability to profile is correct and 100% relevant. What you are in effect saying is that police should go around and target each and every muslims because of their "common profile" - even though doing so would be targeting people who overwhelmingly had no inclination towards violence.

Your little contribution here is not only stupid, it is completely unhelpful for the issue the program was talking about. The experts you so deride are actually interested in proper solutions to this problem - whereas you are interested in being a d**k

Yadda wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 10:41am:




Yadda said....
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Soren wrote on Mar 13^th, 2015 at 7:30pm:



Soren, even though you are a psycho-therapist,       .....as per usual, you are exhibiting an amazing degree of sanity and reason and logic, in your post, imo.





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This YTube makes light of, and exposes the farce of, those

'talking heads'

[i.e. politicians and security experts] within Western nations, who refuse to directly identify and associate ISLAM/moslems, with the religious violence being committed by moslems, everyday.


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      ....this representation, of political 'reality' which is being exhibited in the world, EVERYDAY!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpM8qk3t52A




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http://thereligionofpeace.com/




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'Talking heads' [i.e. politicians and security experts] within Western nations, insistently refuse to directly identify and associate mainstream ISLAM, with the religious violence being committed by moslems, everyday, around the world.


Even in the face of evidences such as this,      ....evidences which have an ISLAMIC source !


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Yadda said....
Quote:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 8:10am:


You’ve finally discovered the old boy’s purpose in life.

At present, he’s a bottom. But he aspires to being a dick.

You gotta have a dream, no?

Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:



http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2015/03/bst_20150313.mp3

the session about about Jake Bilardi              starts @ 77 min 35 sec
the session about how 'young Australians' are being radicalised         starts @ 94 min 38 sec

                 this following segment starts @ 98 min 48 sec            ------- >
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                 this following segment starts @ 103 min 05 sec            ------- >
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The arguments from the moslem 'camp' [excusing moslem religious violence] are always the same;

1/ The moslem community, can never be viewed as anything except as an 'innocent' party.
2/ The moslem community are simply the local representatives of ISLAM, which is a virtuous and tolerant philosophy.
3/ The moslems simply want the right to be able to widely promote 'virtuous' ISLAMIC principles, within society.
4/ Those who would resist such moslem virtues [and who would resist the right of moslems to freely practice their religion], it is they who are the wrongdoers!
5/ And those who resist the right of moslems to freely practice their religion, are the ones who are responsible, if they have provoked moslem 'counter-violence'.

In their grievance arguments the moslems always argue that 'individuals' within the moslem community have been 'righteously' provoked to violence, by their 'persecutors'.


All of those grievance factors are present [and exacerbated!] in Koran verses like;

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

"Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76




PROPOSITION;
ISLAM itself, directly causes 'radicalisation' [in individuals], in that it can be demonstrated that ISLAM [within the body of its religious texts] inculcates and causes a grievance mentality [in individuals] and an encouragement to religious violence all in individuals who become enthralled by its [ISLAM's] arguments.

But note well;
During the Radio National discussion, there is never an exploration of the possibility, that it could be the influence of ISLAM, which may be a factor in causing 'radicalisation' [in individuals].
i.e. by ISLAM instilling a greivence mentality [in individuals] and an encouragement to religious violence [in individuals].


THE PROPOSITION WHICH MAINSTREAM ISLAMIC DOCTRINE 'BROADCASTS';
Moslems are innocent.
Those who reject ISLAM are guilty persons, are evil persons, and, they deserve to be put to death.
Whenever fighting on behalf of ISLAM's/Allah's cause, moslems are engaged in virtuous acts [of violence].

“My life in Melbourne’s working-class suburbs was, despite having its ups and downs just like everyone else, very comfortable,” he wrote in an online diary. “I found myself excelling in my studies, just as my siblings had, and had dreamt of becoming a political journalist.”

There’s a warning sign. In another post, he captioned an image of Christmas shoppers as “the talking pigs of Melbourne, Australia, in their sty” and described Australia as “a land full of such filth and corruption that no one in their right mind could live there without a craving to let some heads roll”.

Previous generations of sullen, everything-sucks teens simply became Goths or Greens. Radical Islam provides a more extreme option. Not that Islam has anything to do with it, as we are eternally reminded.

Last week the Fairfax press interviewed a couple of people associated with Bilardi’s Hume Islamic Youth Centre hangout, who couldn’t see any connection between the kid’s faith and his decision to join Islamic State.

“I’ve actually never seen him utter a word at the table when I was serving the food, cleaning up the table, nothing. He was the last person I would expect to actually go there,” said former youth centre worker Furkan Derya.

I furkan derya to find a better name than Furkan Derya. A current youth centre staffer, Abu Zaid, claimed that western media was responsible for Islamic State recruits.

“They take the western media and they blame them a lot and it makes them turn away from Australia and Australian culture. That’s one of the biggest reasons why people go over there,” he said. Zaid further claimed that the media’s depiction of extremist Islam “sparks the curiosity and that spark is all it takes to develop someone’s idea about something”.

That might be the most empty definition yet of Islamic terrorism: “Someone’s idea about something.” It’s almost good enough to appear in ABC news reports. Zaid, who doesn’t think joining Islamic State is any big deal — “Isn’t all Australian culture about freedom of choice, freedom of speech, freedom of all this?” — reckons a few laptops are all we need to calm the sort of kids who might be drawn to jihad: “He is a person, he sticks to himself, stays in his room. Believe me, if you just give him a laptop in the room, he’ll stay there all day.”

Right up until they don’t.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/jihadi-bilardi-spreading-the-hate-...

Contemptible b Vggers will forever furken derya.

Soren wrote on Mar 14^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:


Whats farcical is your idea that the said authorities are not interested in finding constructive ways to stop terrorism - and that your tirade actually contributes anything useful to the discussion. Your contribution here is to be Yadda-lite.