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Vatican Endorses Crusade In Middle East
Mar 16th, 2015 at 5:00am
 
Has the pope sent the Catholic church back ten centuries by authorising wars against Muslims again?

What next? Inquisitions perhaps?

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The Vatican’s line on ISIS has taken a new turn, as its ambassador in Geneva suggested that if a political settlement is impossible, military force should be used against the jihadists...

...The statements may come as a surprise to those who remember the Vatican’s past abhorrence of military violence in the region, but Tomasi’s statements are actually not a new thing; Pope Francis has said in the past that military force is a “legitimate” way...

http://rt.com/news/240845-vatican-isis-military-force/
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Reply #1 - Mar 16th, 2015 at 9:21pm
 
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. If only they had shown a bit more spine against the Nazis.
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Reply #2 - Mar 16th, 2015 at 10:05pm
 
Once again we have someone posting a title which is at best an exaggeration or at worst a lie.

There is no "Crusade" in the Vatican policy. Its about protecting Christians in the Middle East. The Crusades were about seizing the Holy Land from Islam. Its already in the hands of the Jews.

If you don't like the Vatican that's fine with me, but don't try to make out that this is something that it is not.
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Reply #4 - Mar 16th, 2015 at 10:29pm
 
Biggest joke of all is

the alleged 'holy lands' is in Arabia

In fact, there's a little known book about it.  The author claims the reason they've never been able to find many of the Biblical locations in Palestine (now partly Israel) is because those names were mistranslated

It's an interesting book:  ' The Bible Came from Arabia' by Kamal Salibi ... Radical Reinterpretation of Old Testament Geography'

From the back cover:
'Kamal Salibi, professor of history at the American University of Beirut, reveals startling linguistic evidence which controversially suggest that Judaism originated not in Palestine but in West Arabia

Whilst looking at a gazeteer of Saudi place names, he noticed a remarkable concentration of Biblical place names in an area 600km long by 200 km wide - Asir.  Ancient Hebrew, like Arabic, ws written without vowels.  Salibi believed that scholars of the sixth century might have added the vowels wrongly when standardizing texts, and so he went back to the original unvowelled texts, and so he went back to the original unvowelled Old Testament to prove his theory -- and it did

The geography of Palestine has never corresponded in any way to the apparently specific stories in the Bible.  Salibi's research authenticates the events as history for the first time -- but within an Arabic setting

This book has caused a predictable storm amongst academics and politicians.  The issue is of such importance that everyone should read the evidence first hand'


Publishers vied to publish the book, initially.  Then, pressure was very much brought to bear and the original publishers backed out.  After considerable time, Salibi found a publisher brave enough to publish his findings.  But very few are even aware the book exists and even less are aware of Asir and the role it plays in history


The title's above, plus author

ISBN 0 330 29519 5  (English language version)

My edition's by Pan Books

Every attempt is made by paid-to-posts to dissuade people from reading the book.  Which means you should


Just imagine if the contents of the book, namely that the 'holy lands' lies in Arabia, became common knowledge

just imagine




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Reply #5 - Mar 16th, 2015 at 10:50pm
 
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Asir, Arabic ʿasīr, ("Difficult Country"), region of southwestern Saudi Arabia immediately north of Yemen. Asir consists of about 40,000 square miles (100,000 square km) of Red Sea coastal plains, high mountains, and the upper valleys of the wadis (seasonal watercourses) Bīshah and Tathlīth


http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/38711/Asir



Here's Wikipedia re: Asir

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Asir_Region
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Reply #6 - Mar 16th, 2015 at 11:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 9:21pm:
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. If only they had shown a bit more spine against the Nazis.


Similarities between the US and Nazis:

*both have at some stage have been enthusiastic supporters of eugenics
*use of concentration camps
*overambitious invasions of Eastern nations that turned to disaster.
*reliance on propaganda
*extermination of ethnic minorities.

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Reply #7 - Mar 17th, 2015 at 8:51pm
 

freediver wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 9:21pm:
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. If only they had shown a bit more spine against the Nazis.


While I realise that this is an old video (circa 2009), it may well be worth watching:





Now, after watching, is the Pope's call to arms all that surprising?

We're already looking to the next Crusade.

If we lose, we already know what to expect.




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Reply #8 - Mar 17th, 2015 at 9:54pm
 
Julius Abbott wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 11:47pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 9:21pm:
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. If only they had shown a bit more spine against the Nazis.


Similarities between the US and Nazis:

*both have at some stage have been enthusiastic supporters of eugenics
*use of concentration camps
*overambitious invasions of Eastern nations that turned to disaster.
*reliance on propaganda
*extermination of ethnic minorities.



Did you know that Muhammed once slaughtered about 800 unarmed Jewish POWs in one day. According to Gandalf they deserved it for being scheming Jews.
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Reply #9 - Mar 17th, 2015 at 9:59pm
 
PZ547 wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 10:29pm:
Biggest joke of all is

the alleged 'holy lands' is in Arabia

In fact, there's a little known book about it.  The author claims the reason they've never been able to find many of the Biblical locations in Palestine (now partly Israel) is because those names were mistranslated

It's an interesting book:  ' The Bible Came from Arabia' by Kamal Salibi ... Radical Reinterpretation of Old Testament Geography'

From the back cover:
'Kamal Salibi, professor of history at the American University of Beirut, reveals startling linguistic evidence which controversially suggest that Judaism originated not in Palestine but in West Arabia

Whilst looking at a gazeteer of Saudi place names, he noticed a remarkable concentration of Biblical place names in an area 600km long by 200 km wide - Asir.  Ancient Hebrew, like Arabic, ws written without vowels.  Salibi believed that scholars of the sixth century might have added the vowels wrongly when standardizing texts, and so he went back to the original unvowelled texts, and so he went back to the original unvowelled Old Testament to prove his theory -- and it did

The geography of Palestine has never corresponded in any way to the apparently specific stories in the Bible.  Salibi's research authenticates the events as history for the first time -- but within an Arabic setting

This book has caused a predictable storm amongst academics and politicians.  The issue is of such importance that everyone should read the evidence first hand'


Publishers vied to publish the book, initially.  Then, pressure was very much brought to bear and the original publishers backed out.  After considerable time, Salibi found a publisher brave enough to publish his findings.  But very few are even aware the book exists and even less are aware of Asir and the role it plays in history


The title's above, plus author

ISBN 0 330 29519 5  (English language version)

My edition's by Pan Books

Every attempt is made by paid-to-posts to dissuade people from reading the book.  Which means you should


Just imagine if the contents of the book, namely that the 'holy lands' lies in Arabia, became common knowledge

just imagine






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Reply #10 - Mar 17th, 2015 at 10:50pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 9:21pm:
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. If only they had shown a bit more spine against the Nazis.

True... But it does reveal that maybe the Vatican (and the pope) are only a nudge away from their medieval ancestors in advocating 'Holy War'... Not much of a step away from Islamic Ayatollahs.
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Reply #11 - Mar 17th, 2015 at 10:52pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
Once again we have someone posting a title which is at best an exaggeration or at worst a lie.

There is no "Crusade" in the Vatican policy. Its about protecting Christians in the Middle East. The Crusades were about seizing the Holy Land from Islam. Its already in the hands of the Jews.

If you don't like the Vatican that's fine with me, but don't try to make out that this is something that it is not.

Yes, but advocating war of any kind by a Pope is dangerous ground for a 21st century Vatican.
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Reply #12 - Mar 19th, 2015 at 8:08am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 17th, 2015 at 10:50pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 9:21pm:
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. If only they had shown a bit more spine against the Nazis.

True... But it does reveal that maybe the Vatican (and the pope) are only a nudge away from their medieval ancestors in advocating 'Holy War'... Not much of a step away from Islamic Ayatollahs.


If you are going to talk in steps that big, we are all one step away.
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Reply #13 - Mar 19th, 2015 at 8:14am
 
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Reply #14 - Mar 19th, 2015 at 8:17am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 19th, 2015 at 8:08am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 17th, 2015 at 10:50pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 16th, 2015 at 9:21pm:
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. If only they had shown a bit more spine against the Nazis.

True... But it does reveal that maybe the Vatican (and the pope) are only a nudge away from their medieval ancestors in advocating 'Holy War'... Not much of a step away from Islamic Ayatollahs.


If you are going to talk in steps that big, we are all one step away.

Maybe, but we're not all the ordained Vicar of Christ.
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