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Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons
Reply #45 - Mar 21^st, 2015 at 3:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 8:05am:

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

Everyone places caveats on freedom of speech Gandalf.

Like not wanting prophet mocking allowed?

Holocaust denial and arresting people for saying bad things about jews is not a "caveat" - its straight out rejection of free speech.

"Prophet Mocking"?? Grin

Anyway, 'prophet mocking' and denying that the Jews were systematically exterminated is hardly the same sort of thing.

"Prophet mocking" is mocking an attitude. Nobody dies, nobody bleeds, nobody is locked up.

Exterminating Jews - they were actually killed, actually bled, were actually locked up.

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Reply #46 - Mar 21^st, 2015 at 4:06pm

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Like not wanting prophet mocking allowed?

No Gandalf. Not like that. Most people place caveats on freedom and human rights in order to balance competing rights and freedoms. There is a sound justification for them.

Muslims place caveats on freedom of speech out of a principled rejection of freedom of speech.

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Holocaust denial and arresting people for saying bad things about jews is not a "caveat" - its straight out rejection of free speech. You have done a pretty good job of being a spineless apologist for jewish exceptionalism - which in itself is not necessarily a bad thing - I agree with you that jews are a special case. But your hypocricy is blinding - you have previously argued vigorously that the best way to protect vulnerable minorities from prejudice and discrimination is to have *MORE* free speech, not less. Those were your very words FD. You give anyone who proposes this for the muslims the full treatment - but when it comes to jews, the "more free speech" antidote suddenly doesn't apply.

Nice rant Gandalf, but I still hold to those principles. I oppose holocaust denial laws. I just do not accept it as genuine when Muslims insist that they are for free speech so long as other issues be dealt with first.

Do you remember how we got into this - by you, a Muslim, suggesting that holocaust denial laws should be dealt with "first". Attacks on freedom of speech by Muslims will always be bottom of the list for those who pretend Islam is compatible with freedom of speech. There will always be some excuse. As far as I can tell I only recently convinced you that holocaust denial laws were a bad thing, and already it is at the top of your list.

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Reply #47 - Mar 21^st, 2015 at 6:09pm

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

Are you accusing me of deflecting? Like in the other thread where you kept bringing up past "lies" from Soren that he had already conceded (repeatedly, due to your constant deflecting) were wrong, while you avoided your own lies that you posted in that thread?

A Sunni Muslim like Gandy will not concede a mistake to a stinking infidel like you or me - not by him, not by another Sunni Muslim. It's not kosher (or whatever they call it in Islam).

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Reply #48 - Mar 21^st, 2015 at 7:30pm

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 12:01pm:

I thinks its funny they get all upset with cartoons over a prophet that never even existed.

A cursory look at history shows the mohammed prophet myth was invented 60 years after his pretend so called birth by a caliph. Such nonsense by such backward thick people should in no way be accepted by normal society. Only people with mentally deficient condition would kill others over a cartoon about someone that never even existed.

They don't even have the mental capacity to actually research why they believe what they believe. Sit down and shut up is all they understand and if you leave we will kill you, and the over whelming response from the horde is "Yes sir may I please have another".

they are cultists.

I don't find intolerant murderous cultists funny

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Reply #49 - Mar 21^st, 2015 at 7:45pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 7:30pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 12:01pm:

I thinks its funny they get all upset with cartoons over a prophet that never even existed.

A cursory look at history shows the mohammed prophet myth was invented 60 years after his pretend so called birth by a caliph. Such nonsense by such backward thick people should in no way be accepted by normal society. Only people with mentally deficient condition would kill others over a cartoon about someone that never even existed.

They don't even have the mental capacity to actually research why they believe what they believe. Sit down and shut up is all they understand and if you leave we will kill you, and the over whelming response from the horde is "Yes sir may I please have another".

they are cultists.

I don't find intolerant murderous cultists funny

Yes very poor choice of words there by me. Personally in the murderous cultists context I find them degenerate , pure evil bile, sickfeckers that need to be exterminated like a plague from the earth.

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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.

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Reply #50 - Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 1:02pm

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 4:06pm:

No Gandalf. Not like that. Most people place caveats on freedom and human rights in order to balance competing rights and freedoms. There is a sound justification for them.

Muslims place caveats on freedom of speech out of a principled rejection of freedom of speech.

This muslim advocates caveats on freedom of speech when there is good reason to believe it threatens other's human rights. As I have argued time and time again. An example I have used in the past is someone calling for people to be beheaded for insulting the prophet - should be banned as it is a very clear threat to someone who is exercising their rights. You disagreed.

I'm also curious as to how you concluded that I was previously supportive of holocaust denial laws, but was turned around on the subject by you. I believe I've always been opposed to holocaust denial laws.

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Do you remember how we got into this - by you, a Muslim, suggesting that holocaust denial laws should be dealt with "first". Attacks on freedom of speech by Muslims will always be bottom of the list

No, the two are not mutually exclusive. Addressing the first directly addresses the second.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #51 - Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 3:08pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 7:30pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 12:01pm:

I thinks its funny they get all upset with cartoons over a prophet that never even existed.

A cursory look at history shows the mohammed prophet myth was invented 60 years after his pretend so called birth by a caliph. Such nonsense by such backward thick people should in no way be accepted by normal society. Only people with mentally deficient condition would kill others over a cartoon about someone that never even existed.

They don't even have the mental capacity to actually research why they believe what they believe. Sit down and shut up is all they understand and if you leave we will kill you, and the over whelming response from the horde is "Yes sir may I please have another".

they are cultists.

I don't find intolerant murderous cultists funny

Humour them.

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Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons
Reply #52 - Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 3:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 1:02pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 4:06pm:

No Gandalf. Not like that. Most people place caveats on freedom and human rights in order to balance competing rights and freedoms. There is a sound justification for them.

Muslims place caveats on freedom of speech out of a principled rejection of freedom of speech.

This muslim advocates caveats on freedom of speech when there is good reason to believe it threatens other's human rights. As I have argued time and time again. An example I have used in the past is someone calling for people to be beheaded for insulting the prophet - should be banned as it is a very clear threat to someone who is exercising their rights. You disagreed.

I'm also curious as to how you concluded that I was previously supportive of holocaust denial laws, but was turned around on the subject by you. I believe I've always been opposed to holocaust denial laws.

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Do you remember how we got into this - by you, a Muslim, suggesting that holocaust denial laws should be dealt with "first". Attacks on freedom of speech by Muslims will always be bottom of the list

No, the two are not mutually exclusive. Addressing the first directly addresses the second.

Well to be honest you keep saying you are muslim but your posts fly in the face continually of what the Quran actually says a muslim is and begs the question if your just not a lefty apologist which you seem to be more to the point.

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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons Reply #53 - Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 5:25pm being honest? You Matty? But humour me please, what does the Quran say about being a muslim that so contradicts my posting behaviour?
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Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons
Reply #54 - Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 6:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 5:25pm:

being honest? You Matty? Wink

But humour me please, what does the Quran say about being a muslim that so contradicts my posting behaviour?

Hi Matty, there is no need for me to do anything. I have nothing to prove. Anyone can see what the quran says about your stance on violence and homosexuality just to name a few and know that you make up your own religion to fly in the face of islam according to the quran. You need to package it up with a bow for the west yes Grin

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You make it up as you go to suit yourself or your argument at the time.

That's why FD has so much fun with you.

It may do you some justice to be consistent rather than trying to make out you are some authority on the subject and not a strung out lefty apologist which is how you come across and probably are.

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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.

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Reply #56 - Mar 25^th, 2015 at 12:14am

|dev|null wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 7:30pm:

I don't find intolerant murderous cultists funny

I wonder if they find you funny? I do! Grin

I doubt you would find anything funny with your morbid muslim obsession that you have just for attention. I bet you were a rusky in the 70's when the cold war was on Grin

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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.

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Reply #57 - Mar 25^th, 2015 at 1:06pm

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 25^th, 2015 at 12:14am:

|dev|null wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 7:30pm:

I don't find intolerant murderous cultists funny

I wonder if they find you funny? I do! Grin

I doubt you would find anything funny with your morbid muslim obsession that you have just for attention. I bet you were a rusky in the 70's when the cold war was on Grin

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I'm not as ancient as yourself Matty. I am neither Russian nor Muslim. Stop trying to emulate your betters little man. Adopt the Way of the Troll! Become like the Sensei and gather people to your way! Grin

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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons Reply #59 - Mar 26^th, 2015 at 2:13pm SweetLambo wrote on Mar 25^th, 2015 at 9:11pm: (Pops dummy back in the baby Breaths mouth) Only to find said dummy in your eye, when it's spat out again!
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