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SweetLambo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1271	Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons Reply #60 - Mar 26^th, 2015 at 7:20pm \|dev\|null wrote on Mar 26^th, 2015 at 2:13pm: SweetLambo wrote on Mar 25^th, 2015 at 9:11pm: (Pops dummy back in the baby Breaths mouth) Only to find said dummy in your eye, when it's spat out again! It just landed in the toilet again where you play. Pops the dummy back in your mouth
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Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons
Reply #61 - Mar 26^th, 2015 at 7:23pm

|dev|null wrote on Mar 25^th, 2015 at 1:06pm:

SweetLambo wrote on Mar 25^th, 2015 at 12:14am:

|dev|null wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 7:30pm:

I don't find intolerant murderous cultists funny

I wonder if they find you funny? I do! Grin

I doubt you would find anything funny with your morbid muslim obsession that you have just for attention. I bet you were a rusky in the 70's when the cold war was on Grin

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I'm not as ancient as yourself Matty. I am neither Russian nor Muslim. Stop trying to emulate your betters little man. Adopt the Way of the Troll! Become like the Sensei and gather people to your way! Grin

No need old man I am a Grand Master at pwning you. No need for any training. A child could do it.

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons Reply #62 - Mar 30^th, 2015 at 12:21pm Really? You've got to be joking, right? You couldn't be trusted to own a Hamster mate!
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SweetLambo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1271	Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons Reply #63 - Mar 30^th, 2015 at 8:09pm Yet half the time I don't even have to pwn you all I do is sit and watch you pwn yourself. As you were.
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Reply #64 - Mar 31^st, 2015 at 8:30am

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This muslim advocates caveats on freedom of speech when there is good reason to believe it threatens other's human rights. As I have argued time and time again. An example I have used in the past is someone calling for people to be beheaded for insulting the prophet - should be banned as it is a very clear threat to someone who is exercising their rights. You disagreed.

It is Muslims doing the beheading Gandalf. This is an own goal if ever I saw one.

Do you think we should ban all the Islamic texts that are a threat to others' human rights?

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No, the two are not mutually exclusive. Addressing the first directly addresses the second.

So getting rid of holocaust denial laws (and every other excuse you might come up with for not addressing Islamic terrorism directly) will stop Muslims executing cartoonists? All we have to do is find more creative ways to appease them? When they say stop mocking Muhammed or we will kill you, we must merely figure out what they really want - which is of course freedom of speech for all (and payback to the Jews for getting too much sympathy after the holocaust)?

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Anyone can see what the quran says about your stance on violence and homosexuality

Gandalf has already explained that one. He merely reinterpret's Muhammed's command to kill gays (both the giver and the taker) to mean we really should not kill them.

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Reply #65 - Mar 31^st, 2015 at 11:20am

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 8:30am:

It is Muslims doing the beheading Gandalf. This is an own goal if ever I saw one.

Yet you apparently don't see any problem in allowing people to incite this kind of behaviour. Strange.

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 8:30am:

So getting rid of holocaust denial laws (and every other excuse you might come up with for not addressing Islamic terrorism directly) will stop Muslims executing cartoonists?

The terrorists have a constituency that feeds on perceived victimhood. When we know that at least some of this victimhood is borne from our own hypocricy regarding free speech (hypocricy that not even you deny), then it doesn't seem wise to dismiss it.

It doesn't have to be about absolving responsibility as your stale meme insists. Rest easy - the terrorists are still to blame.

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 8:30am:

Gandalf has already explained that one. He merely reinterpret's Muhammed's command to kill gays (both the giver and the taker) to mean we really should not kill them.

We've moved on from gandalf insisting its a "statement of gay pride" - so thats progress.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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SweetLambo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1271	Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons Reply #66 - Mar 31^st, 2015 at 5:03pm Its not women under burqa's at gandalfs place. Ever thought why the mussey men want them so much.
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Reply #67 - Mar 31^st, 2015 at 6:05pm

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The terrorists have a constituency that feeds on perceived victimhood. When we know that at least some of this victimhood is borne from our own hypocricy regarding free speech (hypocricy that not even you deny), then it doesn't seem wise to dismiss it.

I am not simply dismissing it. I am pointing out the absurdity of it. Holocaust denial laws are the excuse, not the motivation. It does not make sense for a Muslim who is prepared to commit mass murder in order to silence those who mock Muhammed to also be genuinely motivated by a desire to achieve freedom of speech by ending the holocaust denial laws. If he builds a narrative of the west attacking Islam, that narrative will be built on the west attacking Islam directly, for example with cartoons mocking Islam's idiocy. It will not be built on far subtler hypocrisy. The west would still be attacking Islam in the same way without those holocaust denial laws.

I have explained this before, which you ignored:

People complaining about this tend to fall into two camps - those who oppose freedom of speech and want to ban the cartoons, and those who support freedom of speech and oppose holocaust denial laws. Both camps will use accusations of hypocrisy and various "et tu" style arguments because they can be very effective politically, but neither camp will actually be motivated by the hypocrisy. The free speech camp will be motivated by support for freedom of speech, the Muslims will be motivated by opposition to freedom of speech. For both camps, hypocrisy is a battle half won. It is the half lost that actually motivates.

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It doesn't have to be about absolving responsibility as your stale meme insists.

It does not have to be, but it is.

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Reply #68 - Mar 31^st, 2015 at 6:07pm

freediver wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 8:30am:

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[quote]No, the two are not mutually exclusive. Addressing the first directly addresses the second.

So getting rid of holocaust denial laws (and every other excuse you might come up with for not addressing Islamic terrorism directly) will stop Muslims executing cartoonists?

Did Gandy really say that - addressing holocaust denial first directly addresses Islamic terrorism?

I can't find the post. Did he realise how shameful it is and deleted it?

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Another blogger hacked to death in Bangladesh
By Agencies
Published Monday, March 30, 2015
A blogger was hacked to death in the Bangladesh capital on Monday, in the latest brutal attack on the country's independent writers, a senior officer said.

Police have arrested two men over the murder which comes just weeks after an American aethist blogger was also hacked to death in Dhaka, a crime that triggered international outrage, the officer said.

"He was brutally hacked to death this morning with big knives just 500 yards (460 metres) from his home at Dhaka's Begunbari area," local police chief Wahidul Islam told AFP.

Islam said the men were arrested immediately after the attack trying to flee the scene.
http://www.emirates247.com/news/another-blogger-hacked-to-death-in-bangladesh-20...

Islamic literary criticism.

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Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons
Reply #69 - Mar 31^st, 2015 at 8:00pm

Soren wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 6:07pm:

Elsewhere in Compatibleistan:

Another blogger hacked to death in Bangladesh
By Agencies
Published Monday, March 30, 2015
A blogger was hacked to death in the Bangladesh capital on Monday, in the latest brutal attack on the country's independent writers, a senior officer said.

Police have arrested two men over the murder which comes just weeks after an American aethist blogger was also hacked to death in Dhaka, a crime that triggered international outrage, the officer said.

"He was brutally hacked to death this morning with big knives just 500 yards (460 metres) from his home at Dhaka's Begunbari area," local police chief Wahidul Islam told AFP.

Islam said the men were arrested immediately after the attack trying to flee the scene.
http://www.emirates247.com/news/another-blogger-hacked-to-death-in-bangladesh-20...

Islamic literary criticism.

*SIGH* I knew your efforts at tolerance were too good to be true, Soren. Roll Eyes

The fact that two of the murderers have been arrested and that the Muslim authorities are seeking the others is IMHO good news about the Islamic government valuing Freedom of Speech in Bangladesh.

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Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons
Reply #70 - Mar 31^st, 2015 at 8:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 6:07pm:

Elsewhere in Compatibleistan:

Another blogger hacked to death in Bangladesh
By Agencies
Published Monday, March 30, 2015
A blogger was hacked to death in the Bangladesh capital on Monday, in the latest brutal attack on the country's independent writers, a senior officer said.

Police have arrested two men over the murder which comes just weeks after an American aethist blogger was also hacked to death in Dhaka, a crime that triggered international outrage, the officer said.

"He was brutally hacked to death this morning with big knives just 500 yards (460 metres) from his home at Dhaka's Begunbari area," local police chief Wahidul Islam told AFP.

Islam said the men were arrested immediately after the attack trying to flee the scene.
http://www.emirates247.com/news/another-blogger-hacked-to-death-in-bangladesh-20...

Islamic literary criticism.

*SIGH* I knew your efforts at tolerance were too good to be true, Soren. Roll Eyes

The fact that two of the murderers have been arrested and that the Muslim authorities are seeking the others is IMHO good news about the Islamic government valuing Freedom of Speech in Bangladesh.

Is that the best apology you can make for them.
Times are tough.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41913	Re: British muslims protest Charlie Hebdo cartoons Reply #71 - Mar 31^st, 2015 at 8:10pm
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Reply #72 - Mar 31^st, 2015 at 8:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 6:07pm:

Elsewhere in Compatibleistan:

Another blogger hacked to death in Bangladesh
By Agencies
Published Monday, March 30, 2015
A blogger was hacked to death in the Bangladesh capital on Monday, in the latest brutal attack on the country's independent writers, a senior officer said.

Police have arrested two men over the murder which comes just weeks after an American aethist blogger was also hacked to death in Dhaka, a crime that triggered international outrage, the officer said.

"He was brutally hacked to death this morning with big knives just 500 yards (460 metres) from his home at Dhaka's Begunbari area," local police chief Wahidul Islam told AFP.

Islam said the men were arrested immediately after the attack trying to flee the scene.
http://www.emirates247.com/news/another-blogger-hacked-to-death-in-bangladesh-20...

Islamic literary criticism.

*SIGH* I knew your efforts at tolerance were too good to be true, Soren. Roll Eyes

The fact that two of the murderers have been arrested and that the Muslim authorities are seeking the others is IMHO good news about the Islamic government valuing Freedom of Speech in Bangladesh.

When was the last time a Muslim was hacked to death in the West for talking about Islam?

You are an outrageously spineless, squishy bedwetter for offering 'arrest' as a sign of normalcy and 'nuffin' to see here about Islam'.

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Reply #74 - Mar 31^st, 2015 at 9:18pm

Soren wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 8:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 8:00pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 6:07pm:

Elsewhere in Compatibleistan:

Another blogger hacked to death in Bangladesh
By Agencies
Published Monday, March 30, 2015
A blogger was hacked to death in the Bangladesh capital on Monday, in the latest brutal attack on the country's independent writers, a senior officer said.

Police have arrested two men over the murder which comes just weeks after an American aethist blogger was also hacked to death in Dhaka, a crime that triggered international outrage, the officer said.

"He was brutally hacked to death this morning with big knives just 500 yards (460 metres) from his home at Dhaka's Begunbari area," local police chief Wahidul Islam told AFP.

Islam said the men were arrested immediately after the attack trying to flee the scene.
http://www.emirates247.com/news/another-blogger-hacked-to-death-in-bangladesh-20...

Islamic literary criticism.

*SIGH* I knew your efforts at tolerance were too good to be true, Soren. Roll Eyes

The fact that two of the murderers have been arrested and that the Muslim authorities are seeking the others is IMHO good news about the Islamic government valuing Freedom of Speech in Bangladesh.

When was the last time a Muslim was hacked to death in the West for talking about Islam?

You are an outrageously spineless, squishy bedwetter for offering 'arrest' as a sign of normalcy and 'nuffin' to see here about Islam'.

"I love how you immediately resort to ad hominem, Soren". Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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