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Re: Dilemma of 18/19 year olds.
Reply #30 - Mar 20^th, 2015 at 3:17pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

If you are a University student, it is virtually impossible to obtain employment which fits around lectures

Mainly due to rigid minimum hours and penalty rates jealously guarded by unions and Labor.

Vuk11 wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 1:08pm:

Does that take into account the majority of jobs that aren't advertised? (Something like 70% according to job service provider stats)

...yeah I've seen that as well. Most job vacancies aren't advertised.

One has to be PRO-active instead of 'NO'-active... Cheesy

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Reply #32 - Mar 20^th, 2015 at 8:57pm

Vuk11 wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 1:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 12:47pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

If you seriously want a job there are jobs out there to get.

no, there are not .. there are currently about 15 000 jobs at any one time, and about 800 000 unemployed. No matter how you twist it, the numbers don't work.

By the way, most of those 150 000 jobs will end up being filled by people already employed ...

Does that take into account the majority of jobs that aren't advertised? (Something like 70% according to job service provider stats)

Though I think we need an abundance of unskilled work the current job numbers aren't good enough, we can at least be accurate?

the numbers for jobs available aren't obtained by looking at advertising, they're obtained by surveys (the number read was 5000 businesses from around the country) and then the numbers are extrapolated across the whole country

SURVEY METHODOLOGY AND DESIGN

7 The JVS uses a sample survey methodology and collects information via online forms and/or telephone interviews. Approximately 5,000 employers, selected from the ABS Business Register (ABSBR), are included in the survey.

8 The statistical unit for the survey comprises all the activities of an employer in a particular state or territory based on the Australian Business Number (ABN) unit or Type of Activity Unit (TAU). Each statistical unit is classified to an industry which reflects the predominant activity of the business. The statistical units are stratified by state, industry division and employment size, and within each stratum, statistical units are selected with equal probability.

9 The sample for JVS, like most ABS business surveys, is selected from the ABSBR which is primarily based on registrations to the Australian Taxation Office's (ATO) Pay-As-You-Go Withholding (PAYGW) scheme. The population is updated quarterly to take account of new businesses, businesses that have ceased employing, changes in industry and employment levels and other general business changes.

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/6354.0Explanatory%20Notes1Nov%202...

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Reply #34 - Mar 20^th, 2015 at 10:46pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 10:10pm:

So let me get this straight: the number of job seekers outnumber the jobs available and this is cause to stop looking for work?! Lefty logic. Cheesy

No, no....it's very altruistic, actually.
See, if the lefties don't go after jobs, then that leaves more vacancies available for other job-seekers. So your average lefty is sacrificing him/her self on the altar of newstart, for others...

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Reply #35 - Mar 21^st, 2015 at 7:08am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 10:10pm:

So let me get this straight: the number of job seekers outnumber the jobs available and this is cause to stop looking for work?! Lefty logic. Cheesy

who says they stop looking?

is this how you teach your students? you make it up as you go? no wonder today's kids have no idea.....

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Reply #36 - Mar 21^st, 2015 at 9:49am

Aussie wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 12:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

the off topic police would be a different story

Besides if you are referring to my Debt Mountain post (Reply#1) it has extreme relevancy to the "dilemma of 18/19 year olds" which after all is the actual thread title. Huh

18/19 year olds will indeed have to pay double marginal tax rates to sustain our current level of Welfare State-ness as there will be twice as many tax dependents to tax-payers in 20 years. (Swan's IGR 2010 says this)

So to Aussie I would say "what did you do to sustain yourself when you were 18/19"?

When I was 18 there was no such thing as a 'gap year'.

Ironically after a knock back from the ADFA I went to uni and survived on TEAS (Tertiary Education Assistance) as my mum was a widow. TEAS then, was even less than the dole. Around $36 FN I recall. It was crap, so I left UNI, thumbed my nose at the commie student unionists, got a job, stopped loafing, and started paying tax.

That's my advice to 18/19 year olds..... Cheesy

Whatever it was, that TEAS is ($36 FN...or whatever) is $36 FN ...or whatever more than today's lot get.

If you are a University student, it is virtually impossible to obtain employment which fits around lectures, so inevitably kids like my eldest grand-daughter (whose parents have no capacity) are supported by me and 'Grandma.'

Earn or learn, ey!

As for what I did ...... I was supported 100% by my parents while at University, and then later by employment as an Articled Clerk earning the princely sum of $9.00 per week.

And that's your real whinge...

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Reply #39 - Mar 21^st, 2015 at 1:52pm

... wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 9:54am:

Aussie wrote on Mar 19^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

I'm pretty certain that fails to address the point raised. What does Abbott expect these 18/19 year old adults to live on while they do what The Arab urges.....'earn or learn?'

Austudy and/or wages.

Where's the mystery?

The mystery is why you are ignorant of the fact that one of the qualifications you must have to get Austudy is that you be aged 25 years.

What employment is available to a full-time student, even assuming they have freetime to earn and not study/research or attend to assignments?

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Reply #40 - Mar 21^st, 2015 at 2:07pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 1:52pm:

... wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 9:54am:

Aussie wrote on Mar 19^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

I'm pretty certain that fails to address the point raised. What does Abbott expect these 18/19 year old adults to live on while they do what The Arab urges.....'earn or learn?'

Austudy and/or wages.

Where's the mystery?

The mystery is why you are ignorant of the fact that one of the qualifications you must have to get Austudy is that you be aged 25 years.

What employment is available to a full-time student, even assuming they have freetime to earn and not study/research or attend to assignments?

*groooooaaaan*

"youth allowance" then. It's the same bleedin' thing.

Why act like this is some new challenge? Guess how I lived while studying 15 years ago, and presumably most other people did 15 years before that? Thaaaat's right folks - Austudy youth allowance and/or wages.

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Reply #41 - Mar 21^st, 2015 at 2:18pm

... wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 2:07pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 1:52pm:

... wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 9:54am:

Aussie wrote on Mar 19^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

I'm pretty certain that fails to address the point raised. What does Abbott expect these 18/19 year old adults to live on while they do what The Arab urges.....'earn or learn?'

Austudy and/or wages.

Where's the mystery?

The mystery is why you are ignorant of the fact that one of the qualifications you must have to get Austudy is that you be aged 25 years.

What employment is available to a full-time student, even assuming they have freetime to earn and not study/research or attend to assignments?

*groooooaaaan*

"youth allowance" then. It's the same bleedin' thing.

Why act like this is some new challenge? Guess how I lived while studying 15 years ago, and presumably most other people did 15 years before that? Thaaaat's right folks - Austudy youth allowance and/or wages.

Things have changed. These are the hoops one must jump through to get this 'youth allowance.'

Link.

Why? My Grand-daughter 'supported' herself (with top up from me and Grandma) for 12 months before enrolling this year for Uni full time. She graduated well from High School at the end of 2013. She has been in our 'care' for the last two years of her secondary education for various reasons, mainly because her parents are separated, and their lives moved on and away from her years ago.

Every obstacle Morrison's Mob can put in her way is being put in her way.

It ought be as simple as 'earn or learn' but it is not. Far from it.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Dilemma of 18/19 year olds. Reply #42 - Mar 21^st, 2015 at 2:21pm Yeah I had to fill out some forms too. It was a pain in the arse, but then, it only took an hour or 2 and granted me 4 or 5 hundred bucks a fortnight for a few years, so I didn't really have cause for complaint.
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Reply #43 - Mar 21^st, 2015 at 3:17pm

... wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 2:21pm:

Yeah I had to fill out some forms too. It was a pain in the arse, but then, it only took an hour or 2 and granted me 4 or 5 hundred bucks a fortnight for a few years, so I didn't really have cause for complaint.

Youth Allowance != Austudy. My son gets $270@fn, half of what you got a few years ago and yes he's at uni studying full-time.

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Reply #44 - Mar 21^st, 2015 at 3:37pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 21^st, 2015 at 10:39am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 20^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

Lefties have 5 million excuses for why they shouldn't get a job and not a single one why they should. Pessimists and nihilists.

I'll put you down for a dozen jobs for the homeless young men then? That'll be a good start on the problem....

I am not looking for work. And I wouldn't be on here whinging about it if I was.

How about we tax "progressives" at a higher rate to pay for extra public service jobs?

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