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Intergenerational Report - Hidden Tax Cuts
Mar 22nd, 2015 at 8:00am
 
Tax cuts for wealthy hidden in intergenerational report

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    March 22, 2015
    Sydney Morning Herald


The intergenerational report projects massive and hidden tax cuts that would add as much as $150 billion a year to the budget deficit by 2055, a new analysis claims.   Sad   

The Australia Institute has reverse engineered the tax projections in the report to find that by 2055 someone on the equivalent of $300,000 would be paying only 32.4 per cent of their income in tax, down from 37.7 per cent in 2021.

The tax cut, expressed in present dollars, would be worth $15,900. A low earner would receive a lower tax cut of about $4500.


The tax cuts come about because of a decision by the framers of the intergenerational report to hold the tax-to-GDP ratio constant at a time when real incomes are climbing.

Instead of being pushed into higher tax brackets with rising incomes as normally happens, wage earners would be kept on their initial tax rates even though their income had climbed.

The intergenerational report expects real incomes to climb 77 per cent over the next 40 years, pushing up the average wage from $58,700 to the present-day equivalent of $104,000.

In 2055 someone on the equivalent of $104,000 would be taxed as if they were earning $58,700. They would pay more dollars in tax, but they wouldn't be paying higher rates.

"It's not at all realistic to think that tax rate paid by high income Australians will fall, but that's what the report assumes," said Australia Institute executive director Richard Denniss.

"In fact it's entirely realistic to think that citizens whose incomes will rise rapidly will want world-class education, health and transport and will demand slightly higher rates of tax in order to get them.

"I think the purpose of the forecasts is to manage expectations, to make it look as if the government won't be able to afford things it'll be quite easily able to afford."
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Reply #1 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 12:43pm
 
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The intergenerational report expects real incomes to climb 77 per cent over the next 40 years, pushing up the average wage from $58,700 to the present-day equivalent of $104,000.

If true, this is a courageous assumption. 77% in 40 years is a bit more than 1.4% a year over inflation. There isn't any evidence to suggest that incomes would actually climb that much. In the past 12 months, income growth has been weaker than it has been at any time in the past 50 years.

The underlying assumptions in the report need to be revealed so they can be scrutinised.
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Reply #2 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 12:50pm
 
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The Australia Institute has reverse engineered the tax projections in the report to find that by 2055 someone on the equivalent of $300,000 would be paying only 32.4 per cent of their income in tax, down from 37.7 per cent in 2021.


Slavery down 5.3% in 40 years.

Woo hoo.  Party time....

A slave for 2.26 days instead of 2.63 days per week.  What progress..... Roll Eyes
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Reply #3 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 1:15pm
 
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Tax cuts for wealthy hidden in intergenerational report

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    March 22, 2015
    Sydney Morning Herald


The intergenerational report projects massive and hidden tax cuts that would add as much as $150 billion a year to the budget deficit by 2055, a new analysis claims.   Sad   

The Australia Institute has reverse engineered the tax projections in the report to find that by 2055 someone on the equivalent of $300,000 would be paying only 32.4 per cent of their income in tax, down from 37.7 per cent in 2021.

The tax cut, expressed in present dollars, would be worth $15,900. A low earner would receive a lower tax cut of about $4500.


The tax cuts come about because of a decision by the framers of the intergenerational report to hold the tax-to-GDP ratio constant at a time when real incomes are climbing.

Instead of being pushed into higher tax brackets with rising incomes as normally happens, wage earners would be kept on their initial tax rates even though their income had climbed.

The intergenerational report expects real incomes to climb 77 per cent over the next 40 years, pushing up the average wage from $58,700 to the present-day equivalent of $104,000.

In 2055 someone on the equivalent of $104,000 would be taxed as if they were earning $58,700. They would pay more dollars in tax, but they wouldn't be paying higher rates.

"It's not at all realistic to think that tax rate paid by high income Australians will fall, but that's what the report assumes," said Australia Institute executive director Richard Denniss.

"In fact it's entirely realistic to think that citizens whose incomes will rise rapidly will want world-class education, health and transport and will demand slightly higher rates of tax in order to get them.

"I think the purpose of the forecasts is to manage expectations, to make it look as if the government won't be able to afford things it'll be quite easily able to afford."

The Australian Institute had a representative on the 2012 IGR, as did the ACTU and Bill Shorten, so they had a good chance to contribute.

Here is what the architect of super had to say, but the Politicians, media and the Australian elite are not interested to change anything.


Dr Vince FitzGerald says Australia's compulsory superannuation scheme has become 'inequitable'. Photo: Amanda Watkins
THE architect of Australia's compulsory superannuation scheme says it has become ''inequitable'' and should be changed to reduce its bias towards the better off.
Vince FitzGerald, whose advice underpinned federal Labor's dramatic retirement policy overhaul two decades ago, said tax breaks for those wealthy enough to make extra superannuation contributions skewed the system towards higher income earners.
The superannuation system - set to balloon with the forthcoming increase in compulsory contributions from 9 to 12 per cent - is ''not a terribly wonderful deal'' for people on low incomes, said Dr FitzGerald, a director of the Allen Consulting Group.

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Reply #4 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 1:25pm
 
I have considered the idea that allowing 'bracket creep' to hold sway for a time - say five years - would lead to a reduction in the demand for higher and higher incomes (note - I do not say wages - I say incomes).

If indeed there are such severe structural deficiencies in budgeting as to engender a long-term decline in overall revenue, then that is one way of beginning the process of reducing the pressure on incomes and establishing a more solid base for the future.

Stabilising the current brackets, and then introducing slow and steady tax hikes to re-establish equilibrium could be the way to go.

The boom is over.... let the country come to grips with that reality and see that the future is increasingly dark in many way, not least of all the 'global market' concept which is rapidly winding down to disaster, and start to work on some real tax reviews rather than the same old taking from the poorest in the land in any way possible.

Time for the lifting to be shared around fairly... no more free rides.
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Reply #5 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 2:37pm
 
Bam wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 12:43pm:
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The intergenerational report expects real incomes to climb 77 per cent over the next 40 years, pushing up the average wage from $58,700 to the present-day equivalent of $104,000.

If true, this is a courageous assumption. 77% in 40 years is a bit more than 1.4% a year over inflation. There isn't any evidence to suggest that incomes would actually climb that much. In the past 12 months, income growth has been weaker than it has been at any time in the past 50 years.

The underlying assumptions in the report need to be revealed so they can be scrutinised.


that would only be if you considered ANY predictions for 40 years hence to have any validity.  These reports are at best aspirational, but largely exercises in worthless intellectual arrogance.  However to point out your error, historically incomes have exceeded CPI. That assumption is reasonable if the figure itself is basically a guess.
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Reply #6 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 4:25pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 2:37pm:
Bam wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 12:43pm:
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The intergenerational report expects real incomes to climb 77 per cent over the next 40 years, pushing up the average wage from $58,700 to the present-day equivalent of $104,000.

If true, this is a courageous assumption. 77% in 40 years is a bit more than 1.4% a year over inflation. There isn't any evidence to suggest that incomes would actually climb that much. In the past 12 months, income growth has been weaker than it has been at any time in the past 50 years.

The underlying assumptions in the report need to be revealed so they can be scrutinised.


that would only be if you considered ANY predictions for 40 years hence to have any validity.  These reports are at best aspirational, but largely exercises in worthless intellectual arrogance.  However to point out your error, historically incomes have exceeded CPI. That assumption is reasonable if the figure itself is basically a guess.

This report isn't worth its weight in toilet paper. Among others, it makes the rather bold prediction that there will be no recession in Australia any time in the next 40 years. Really?
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Reply #7 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 7:21pm
 
Bam wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 4:25pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 2:37pm:
Bam wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 12:43pm:
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The intergenerational report expects real incomes to climb 77 per cent over the next 40 years, pushing up the average wage from $58,700 to the present-day equivalent of $104,000.

If true, this is a courageous assumption. 77% in 40 years is a bit more than 1.4% a year over inflation. There isn't any evidence to suggest that incomes would actually climb that much. In the past 12 months, income growth has been weaker than it has been at any time in the past 50 years.

The underlying assumptions in the report need to be revealed so they can be scrutinised.


that would only be if you considered ANY predictions for 40 years hence to have any validity.  These reports are at best aspirational, but largely exercises in worthless intellectual arrogance.  However to point out your error, historically incomes have exceeded CPI. That assumption is reasonable if the figure itself is basically a guess.

This report isn't worth its weight in toilet paper. Among others, it makes the rather bold prediction that there will be no recession in Australia any time in the next 40 years. Really?


none of these kinds of reports are worth anything. We cant even predict THIS years deficit, nevermind 40 years down the track.  And what about a global war or something similar? that would massively affect the outcome.  A proper simulation would put randomly adverse events in place and still be wrong but at least a better try.
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Reply #8 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 8:23pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 1:25pm:
I have considered the idea that allowing 'bracket creep' to hold sway for a time - say five years - would lead to a reduction in the demand for higher and higher incomes (note - I do not say wages - I say incomes).

If indeed there are such severe structural deficiencies in budgeting as to engender a long-term decline in overall revenue, then that is one way of beginning the process of reducing the pressure on incomes and establishing a more solid base for the future.

Stabilising the current brackets, and then introducing slow and steady tax hikes to re-establish equilibrium could be the way to go.

The boom is over.... let the country come to grips with that reality and see that the future is increasingly dark in many way, not least of all the 'global market' concept which is rapidly winding down to disaster, and start to work on some real tax reviews rather than the same old taking from the poorest in the land in any way possible.

Time for the lifting to be shared around fairly... no more free rides.

Looking at the top tax rates in the seventies, around 70% even a person on an average income was paying 45% for most overtime earned, so the politicians are talking a lot of nonsense.
What is ignored, is the tax-free super for the over sixties, which since its introduction in 2007 has largely contributed to the budget deficit.
It is the elephant which no one is prepared to mention.

Since your recent articles “Forget GST, hit the rorts on super”, and Government dodges the super elephant.
Superannuation tax breaks described by Australia Institute as the Hindenburg of the federal budget


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Reply #9 - Mar 22nd, 2015 at 8:29pm
 
hawil wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 8:23pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 22nd, 2015 at 1:25pm:
I have considered the idea that allowing 'bracket creep' to hold sway for a time - say five years - would lead to a reduction in the demand for higher and higher incomes (note - I do not say wages - I say incomes).

If indeed there are such severe structural deficiencies in budgeting as to engender a long-term decline in overall revenue, then that is one way of beginning the process of reducing the pressure on incomes and establishing a more solid base for the future.

Stabilising the current brackets, and then introducing slow and steady tax hikes to re-establish equilibrium could be the way to go.

The boom is over.... let the country come to grips with that reality and see that the future is increasingly dark in many way, not least of all the 'global market' concept which is rapidly winding down to disaster, and start to work on some real tax reviews rather than the same old taking from the poorest in the land in any way possible.

Time for the lifting to be shared around fairly... no more free rides.

Looking at the top tax rates in the seventies, around 70% even a person on an average income was paying 45% for most overtime earned, so the politicians are talking a lot of nonsense.
What is ignored, is the tax-free super for the over sixties, which since its introduction in 2007 has largely contributed to the budget deficit.
It is the elephant which no one is prepared to mention.

Since your recent articles “Forget GST, hit the rorts on super”, and Government dodges the super elephant.
Superannuation tax breaks described by Australia Institute as the Hindenburg of the federal budget




I've sought to address the super question by comapring it to saving money in an account.

If I save money in an account, I've already paid tax on that money to get it.  If I then earn interest on it, I pay tax on that as well.

Seems to me a serious anomaly there, and has echoes in super and shares deeming.

My view is that sufficient super may be set aside at a concessional rate of tax to give up to a specified sum as a return - after that extra is deemed to be 'savings' in the same way as a savings account is - and is taxed accordingly according to overall income rate etc.

That extra has already been offered at a concessional rate of tax, and therefore is a bonus already - no need to leave it out of taxation altogether.

I think there is a lot of room in that comparison/equation for some hefty reviewing of excessive superannuation contributions under the present system.


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