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Reply #105 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:54pm

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:48pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:08pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

You are missing the point. MOST Muslims do not adhere to violence.

This is evident by the fact that there are over a billion of them and most live perfectly peacefully.

And they are losing control everywhere - Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Sudan, Yemen, sorry, Semen, Labia, Afghanistan, Malaysia, Turkey, Saudi, Somalia, Kenya, Nigeria.

The 'vast majority' is losing ground everywhere. Either because they are opportunistic cowards or because they are not really 'vast majority'.

Thanks for highlighting it.

You have a very tenuous grasp of foreign politics don't you.

Familiarise yourself with the interventions from the west in most of those countries then get back to me.

I know. Colonialism ended far too soon. It was like kicking 9 year old out of home, making them fend for themselves. Was bound to fail.

...... gobsmacked Shocked

Well, you need to wake up to a lot of things, it seems.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #106 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:00pm

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:44pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:41pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:26pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:01pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:54pm:

As for moderate Muslims being afraid of them, they are the most active voices of dissent and the primary fighters on the ground against fanaticism.

Utter, utter bollocks.

You MUST be a Muslim to say such certifiable nonsense and hope to get away with it.

No outspoken Muslim newspaper office has been shot up in Paris, no outspoken Muslim moderate has been beheaded on the streets of London, no moderate Muslim cafe has been beseiged in Sydney.

You guys are deluded to an extraordinary degree. Unmoored.

Not to up to date with events in the Middle East are you?

Attacks against moderate Muslims run rampant. Attacks against hospitals, schools, places of business ... daily.

You know who is primarily fighting ISIS don't you? Muslims. True. Check it out.

So the 'tiny minority' has the 'vast majority' on the run.

Sure thing.

Now you're getting it.

So the self-confident Islamist have the cowards on the run - and I have to respect and side with the cowards???i

Why are oppressed people cowards Soren?

Because they are supposedly the 'vast majority' (I don't believe that).

They are either not the 'vast majority' or if they are, they are utter squishy cowards.

History reeks of the majority being controlled by better armed minorities.

You think there were as many Nazis in Poland as there were Polish people? As many English invaders as there were Irish?

Even the great mother Russia needed the weather to kick Germany's arse.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

ISIS is armed. The Taliban is armed. Boko Haram is armed. Al Quaeda is armed.

The average sheep farmer is not.

But on that point ... you neglected to acknowledge my comment about who are the primary fighters against ISIS. Tsk. You know it's Muslims yeah? Armed Muslims.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #107 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:02pm

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:43pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:31pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 5:34pm:

What the hell is wrong with a person who can't identify the difference between an ordinary Muslim and a raving fanatic?

It's hard to tell them apart when they believe n the same thing.

One is a coward about his beliefs, the other is very motivated by them. Same beliefs.

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We've passed this rock Soren.

Fanatics TWIST the beliefs of Islam.

Do keep up.

Wed did? When was that? Who decides which view of Islam is twisted?
And why is this still a hot and murderous topic after 1400 years? WHEN will Islam settle on its own true meaning??

Good grief Soren ... why are there still fanatical Christians? Jews? Why are there still fanatical ANYTHING?

Because loonies will be loonies that's why.

Remember though... that rock we passed where we established that of the 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world, most of them don't carry on like that?

If they did ... now concentrate, i don't want to have to tell you again ... then there would be bombings and be-headings all over the place. Now wouldn't there?

And yet....
It's Muslims who are "bombings and be-headings all over the place", not Christians, not Jews, not atheists.

Nobody is beheaded on the streets of London by a Jew or a Christian, no Muslim newspapers are shot up by Jews or Christians in Paris, no Muslim writer or cartoonist has a Jewish or Christian extra-judicial death sentenced over his head in the West, no Muslim film maker is executed on the streets of Amsterdam, No Jew or Christian blows himself up on a bus in London, no Jew or Christian blows up a bar in a Bali.

The relentless normalisation of Muslim violence in the name of Islam is sickening.

Stop it.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35465 Gender:	Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West Reply #108 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:04pm You really are following your own spastic, bouncing ball aren't you? Do you even consider anything put to you? I'm just repeating myself here.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35465 Gender:	Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West Reply #109 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:06pm And who on earth is "normalising Muslim violence"? All i've seen is people saying it is perpetrated by loony fanatics. Quite the opposite of normalising it i think. See, it's hysteria such as yours that causes people to behave badly in the first place. Calm down.
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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #110 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:10pm

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:00pm:

History reeks of the majority being controlled by better armed minorities.

You think there were as many Nazis in Poland as there were Polish people? As many English invaders as there were Irish?

Even the great mother Russia needed the weather to kick Germany's arse.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

ISIS is armed. The Taliban is armed. Boko Haram is armed. Al Quaeda is armed.

The average sheep farmer is not.

But on that point ... you neglected to acknowledge my comment about who are the primary fighters against ISIS. Tsk. You know it's Muslims yeah? Armed Muslims.

The governments of Afhanistan, Iran, Iraq, Labia, SYemen, Sudan, Nigeria, Saudi, Syria, Iraq, etc are not sheep farmers.

Poles and Russians ad the French all had active resistance movements. Muslims don't. There is no resistance movement against sharia in the West. There is endless kvetching about the 'press is victimising us' and endless, endless excuses about how none it has anything to do wiv Muslims.

And of course there is no end to the bleating about how the bad boys a re a tiny, tiny, unrepresentative miniscule minority and how upright and peacful and brave and 'vast majority' the rest are - but hey must be the most impotent and useless 'vast majority' ever.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #111 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:14pm

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:10pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:00pm:

History reeks of the majority being controlled by better armed minorities.

You think there were as many Nazis in Poland as there were Polish people? As many English invaders as there were Irish?

Even the great mother Russia needed the weather to kick Germany's arse.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

ISIS is armed. The Taliban is armed. Boko Haram is armed. Al Quaeda is armed.

The average sheep farmer is not.

But on that point ... you neglected to acknowledge my comment about who are the primary fighters against ISIS. Tsk. You know it's Muslims yeah? Armed Muslims.

The governments of Afhanistan, Iran, Iraq, Labia, SYemen, Sudan, Nigeria, Saudi, Syria, Iraq, etc are not sheep farmers.

Poles and Russians ad the French all had active resistance movements. Muslims don't. There is no resistance movement against sharia in the West. There is endless kvetching about the 'press is victimising us' and endless, endless excuses about how none it has anything to do wiv Muslims.

And of course there is no end to the bleating about how the bad boys a re a tiny, tiny, unrepresentative miniscule minority and how upright and peacful and brave and 'vast majority' the rest are - but hey must be the most impotent and useless 'vast majority' ever.

I feel quite confident in suggesting that what you know of the political machinations of any of those countries is next to nothing.

Read some Robert Fisk. Get yourself an education.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #112 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:14pm

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:06pm:

And who on earth is "normalising Muslim violence"?

All i've seen is people saying it is perpetrated by loony fanatics. Quite the opposite of normalising it i think.

See, it's hysteria such as yours that causes people to behave badly in the first place. Calm down.

The doctrines of the 'looney' faction is indistinguishable from the doctrines of the pious, practicing peaceful faction. There is no disagreement between them.
The former is just not as fatalistic and passive as the latter.

They both want sharia - the militants want it now, the 'moderates's want it in 20 years.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35465 Gender:	Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West Reply #113 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:16pm ... and you do know that the government doesn't constitute the 'vast majority'. Come on. It's like you're not even trying.
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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #114 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:16pm

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:14pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:06pm:

And who on earth is "normalising Muslim violence"?

All i've seen is people saying it is perpetrated by loony fanatics. Quite the opposite of normalising it i think.

See, it's hysteria such as yours that causes people to behave badly in the first place. Calm down.

The doctrines of the 'looney' faction is indistinguishable from the doctrines of the pious, practicing peaceful faction. There is no disagreement between them.
The former is just not as fatalistic and passive as the latter.

They both want sharia - the militants want it now, the 'moderates's want it in 20 years.

You're raving.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West Reply #115 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:18pm mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:14pm: Read some Robert Fisk. If I wanted to be like you I would. I read him in the 90s and early 2000s and I think he is suffering from Stockholm syndrome. No thanks. You will have to continue to read him for the both of us. (you can also read Chomsky for me)
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35465 Gender:	Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West Reply #116 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:19pm I'm quite confident your understanding of Sharia Law is on a par with Jacqui Lambie.
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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #117 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:20pm

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:06pm:

And who on earth is "normalising Muslim violence"?

All i've seen is people saying it is perpetrated by loony fanatics. Quite the opposite of normalising it i think.

See, it's hysteria such as yours that causes people to behave badly in the first place. Calm down.

'Looney fanatics' whose doctrines are impeccably Islamic. You will not find any doctrinal fault with them.

They have all the fatwas to show for what they do.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #118 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:22pm

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:20pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:06pm:

And who on earth is "normalising Muslim violence"?

All i've seen is people saying it is perpetrated by loony fanatics. Quite the opposite of normalising it i think.

See, it's hysteria such as yours that causes people to behave badly in the first place. Calm down.

'Looney fanatics' whose doctrines are impeccably Islamic. You will not find any doctrinal fault with them.

They have all the fatwas to show for what they do.

They violate the principle tenets of Islam.

Moderate Muslims keep telling us that. You just won't hear it on ACA or TT.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #119 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:25pm

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:44pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:41pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:38pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:26pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 9:01pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:54pm:

As for moderate Muslims being afraid of them, they are the most active voices of dissent and the primary fighters on the ground against fanaticism.

Utter, utter bollocks.

You MUST be a Muslim to say such certifiable nonsense and hope to get away with it.

No outspoken Muslim newspaper office has been shot up in Paris, no outspoken Muslim moderate has been beheaded on the streets of London, no moderate Muslim cafe has been beseiged in Sydney.

You guys are deluded to an extraordinary degree. Unmoored.

Not to up to date with events in the Middle East are you?

Attacks against moderate Muslims run rampant. Attacks against hospitals, schools, places of business ... daily.

You know who is primarily fighting ISIS don't you? Muslims. True. Check it out.

So the 'tiny minority' has the 'vast majority' on the run.

Sure thing.

Now you're getting it.

So the self-confident Islamist have the cowards on the run - and I have to respect and side with the cowards???i

Why are oppressed people cowards Soren?

Because they are supposedly the 'vast majority' (I don't believe that).

They are either not the 'vast majority' or if they are, they are utter squishy cowards.

The old boy's not a coward. He only migrated because he likes Danish.

Miam miam.

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