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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #165 - Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:55pm

Anthony123 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 1:40pm:

Remove the right of any organization that has within it's corpus the explicit goal of political rule through religious observance if it wants to be deemed a religion.

With an analog - remove the right of any organisation that whats political power to have a religious belief.

Enforce through LAW, the notion of political secularism.

The reason it won't happen - because Australia has a constitutional monarchy who is also the titular head of a religion - Church of England.

First we would need to become a republic. With a bill of rights. Declaring every human equal.

But the queen of england wouldn't like that. Nor would most of the squatocracy. Or the corps. Because human rights trump business laws every time when they meet in the courts.

I support these goals. The Republic would have to be carefully instituted and not just this idea of changing the name of the GG. Such goals would have to also have some real teeth.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #166 - Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:02pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:52pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:59pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

The 'vast majority' shouldn't have so much difficulty with disarming the 'tiny minority'.

.... this is not a new rock Shocked

So why don't you tell us why the 'vast majority' are impotent against the 'tiny minority'?

They don't appear impotent in Indonesia and Malaysia, Soren. Roll Eyes

What about the Arabs and Persians and Afghans and Pakis?

Or is the 'tiny minority' not so tiny there?

What about the Central Asians and Indians, Soren?

You do realise that the "Muslim World" stretches a long way, 'round the world? Roll Eyes

Which one of these countries would you prefer to live in, or for your children to live in?

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #167 - Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 1:42pm:

He’s now going to post that article on "proposed" Sharia laws in Malaysia.

Ah yes - the same laws that have been proposed since 1993.

The laws that continue to be disallowed by the "impotent majority".

ISTANBUL (AFP) - Turkish prosecutors on Wednesday called for two prominent journalists who featured Charlie Hebdo's cover with the image of the Prophet Mohammed in their columns to be jailed for four and a half years.

Istanbul's chief public prosecutor has charged Ceyda Karan and Hikmet Cetinkaya with "inciting public hatred" and "insulting religious values" by illustrating their columns with the cartoon, the Hurriyet daily reported.
http://www.france24.com/en/20150408-turkey-journalists-face-45-years-jail-over-c...

Turkey is the Islamic success story, even more than cuddly Malaysia and seething Indonesia.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #168 - Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:30pm

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:52pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:59pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

The 'vast majority' shouldn't have so much difficulty with disarming the 'tiny minority'.

.... this is not a new rock Shocked

So why don't you tell us why the 'vast majority' are impotent against the 'tiny minority'?

They don't appear impotent in Indonesia and Malaysia, Soren. Roll Eyes

What about the Arabs and Persians and Afghans and Pakis?

Or is the 'tiny minority' not so tiny there?

What about the Central Asians and Indians, Soren?

You do realise that the "Muslim World" stretches a long way, 'round the world? Roll Eyes

Which one of these countries would you prefer to live in, or for your children to live in?

Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, one of the Central Asian Republics? Who cares, Soren, except you?

Which one would you want to live in or for your children to live in?

Its no wonder that HB thinks you believe the Muslims' world is monolithic. Roll Eyes

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #169 - Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:43pm

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:59pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

The 'vast majority' shouldn't have so much difficulty with disarming the 'tiny minority'.

.... this is not a new rock Shocked

So why don't you tell us why the 'vast majority' are impotent against the 'tiny minority'?

They don't appear impotent in Indonesia and Malaysia, Soren. Roll Eyes

What about the Arabs and Persians and Afghans and Pakis?

Or is the 'tiny minority' not so tiny there?

And almost all of them propped up, backed, recently occupied, allied with, or new friends with Uncle.

A tiny minority, no?

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #170 - Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:45pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:43pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:59pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

The 'vast majority' shouldn't have so much difficulty with disarming the 'tiny minority'.

.... this is not a new rock Shocked

So why don't you tell us why the 'vast majority' are impotent against the 'tiny minority'?

They don't appear impotent in Indonesia and Malaysia, Soren. Roll Eyes

What about the Arabs and Persians and Afghans and Pakis?

Or is the 'tiny minority' not so tiny there?

And almost all of them propped up, backed, recently occupied, allied with, or new friends with Uncle.

A tiny minority, no?

Poor Arabs, never in charge of their destiny, always subjugated, always subservient, always exploited.

Poor Arabs. They want to be in charge but they are just not allowed by the nasty West.

Poor Arabs.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #171 - Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

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Which one of these countries would you prefer to live in, or for your children to live in?

Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, one of the Central Asian Republics? Who cares, Soren, except you?

Which one would you want to live in or for your children to live in?

You are lying.

I think they are all hellholes - Malaysia, Indonesia, Uzbegistan, Kazakstan, whatever.

And you think so too, otherwise you'd be gone.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #172 - Apr 11^th, 2015 at 10:05pm

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:43pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:59pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

The 'vast majority' shouldn't have so much difficulty with disarming the 'tiny minority'.

.... this is not a new rock Shocked

So why don't you tell us why the 'vast majority' are impotent against the 'tiny minority'?

They don't appear impotent in Indonesia and Malaysia, Soren. Roll Eyes

What about the Arabs and Persians and Afghans and Pakis?

Or is the 'tiny minority' not so tiny there?

And almost all of them propped up, backed, recently occupied, allied with, or new friends with Uncle.

A tiny minority, no?

Poor Arabs, never in charge of their destiny, always subjugated, always subservient, always exploited.

Poor Arabs. They want to be in charge but they are just not allowed by the nasty West.

Poor Arabs.

And not just Arabs, dear boy. Afghans, Persians, Pakis, Joos...

Perhaps a good old carpetbombing will bring them round. What do you think?

Shall we start with Saudi Arabia or Israel?

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #173 - Apr 11^th, 2015 at 11:26pm

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

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Which one of these countries would you prefer to live in, or for your children to live in?

Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, one of the Central Asian Republics? Who cares, Soren, except you?

Which one would you want to live in or for your children to live in?

You are lying.

I think they are all hellholes - Malaysia, Indonesia, Uzbegistan, Kazakstan, whatever.

And you think so too, otherwise you'd be gone.

Really, Soren? According to whom? You? Roll Eyes

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95911 Gender:	Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West Reply #174 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 12:14am Good question, Brain. That’ll show him.
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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #175 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 8:24am

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:43pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:59pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:55pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 11:00pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 10:59pm:

The 'vast majority' shouldn't have so much difficulty with disarming the 'tiny minority'.

.... this is not a new rock Shocked

So why don't you tell us why the 'vast majority' are impotent against the 'tiny minority'?

They don't appear impotent in Indonesia and Malaysia, Soren. Roll Eyes

What about the Arabs and Persians and Afghans and Pakis?

Or is the 'tiny minority' not so tiny there?

And almost all of them propped up, backed, recently occupied, allied with, or new friends with Uncle.

A tiny minority, no?

Poor Arabs, never in charge of their destiny, always subjugated, always subservient, always exploited.

Poor Arabs. They want to be in charge but they are just not allowed by the nasty West.

Poor Arabs.

A good case in point is being playd out right now.

You may have heard of the Houthis in Yemen - they are essentially fighting for an independent Yemen free from Saudi control. They ousted the Saudi puppet government - Saudi Arabia responded by air strikes and mustering a huge coalition force to crush the Houthis, and reassert Saudi control. The US has decided to back the imperialists materially, and as a result its likely the grassroots independence movement will be crushed.

Thats just one small example of what "Arabs who want to be in charge" are up against.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #176 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 10:55am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 8:24am:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:45pm:

Poor Arabs, never in charge of their destiny, always subjugated, always subservient, always exploited.

Poor Arabs. They want to be in charge but they are just not allowed by the nasty West.

Poor Arabs.

A good case in point is being playd out right now.

You may have heard of the Houthis in Yemen -

they are essentially fighting for an independent Yemen free from Saudi control.

They ousted the Saudi puppet government -

Saudi Arabia responded by air strikes and mustering a huge coalition force to crush the Houthis, and reassert Saudi control.

The US has decided to back the imperialists materially, and as a result its likely the grassroots independence movement will be crushed.

Thats just one small example of what "Arabs who want to be in charge" are up against.

Aaaaw, the poor Shia, in Yemen !!!!!

Yadda paraphrases.....

[the argument which is made by every moslem faction ------- > ] 'Whether those who oppose us identify themselves as non-moslems or whether they claim to be moslems, whoever opposes us and our views, is an infidel, and an oppressor. Because it is only we, who are the true, and pure, and rightly guided moslems.'

Isn't that correct [Shia leaning] gandalf ?

Every moslem faction on the planet [and there are probably 1,000's of them], regards itself, as the one and only 'legitimate' competitor, for the 'moslem street'.

!!!!!

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412206324/1#1
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The truth is that in the real 'ISLAMIC' world, every distinct moslem ISLAMIC group, is in competition with and against, every other distinct ISLAMIC group.

Each and every distinct ISLAMIC group [separated by distance from each other], will assert that - they only - are the true expression of pure ISLAM.

And therefore it is they alone, who have the right to both subjugate and to rule over every other ISLAMIC group [....even those moslems who ostensibly belong their own moslem faction].

It is true!

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1410694482/49#49
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Every moslem ISLAMIC group, is in competition with every other ISLAMIC group.

There have been wars among moslems, since 2 minutes after Mohammed died.

Hamas, ISIS, Taleban and Boko Haram, all proffer themselves to the 'moslem street', individually, as the true expression of ISLAM.

And so do the Saudis, and the Iranians.

The truth is that moslems form alliances, with those they hate, against those they hate even more!!!

ISIS and Al-Qaeda are COMPETITORS for the 'moslem street' !!!!!

The Saudis and Al-Qaeda are COMPETITORS for the 'moslem street' !!!!!

And so it is, with every moslem group.

Even moslem groups resident within Australia, tell us, that they are the true expression of ISLAM.

And if they had the means and the opportunity, those very moslem groups resident within Australia, would be slaughtering each other - AND US.

It is true!

WAKE UP.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #177 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:10am

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 11:26pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

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Which one of these countries would you prefer to live in, or for your children to live in?

Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, one of the Central Asian Republics? Who cares, Soren, except you?

Which one would you want to live in or for your children to live in?

You are lying.

I think they are all hellholes - Malaysia, Indonesia, Uzbegistan, Kazakstan, whatever.

And you think so too, otherwise you'd be gone.

Really, Soren? According to whom? You? Roll Eyes

Well, you are not in any of those preferred countries, are you? You are in Perth, of all places.

Anyway, what a stupid argument - "According to whom? You?"
Whose authority do you accept, Brain? Don't tell me - only you can have an opinion about yourself?

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #178 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:12am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 8:24am:

A good case in point is being playd out right now.

You may have heard of the Houthis in Yemen - they are essentially fighting for an independent Yemen free from Saudi control. They ousted the Saudi puppet government - Saudi Arabia responded by air strikes and mustering a huge coalition force to crush the Houthis, and reassert Saudi control. The US has decided to back the imperialists materially, and as a result its likely the grassroots independence movement will be crushed.

Thats just one small example of what "Arabs who want to be in charge" are up against.

Of the four Well Guided Caliphs of Islam, three were assassinated by Muslims from rival factions.

There was no America. Or Israel.

Islam is inherently violent and conquering.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41942	Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West Reply #179 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 3:05pm Karnal wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 12:14am: Good question, Brain. That’ll show him. I know. It's always the simple ones which floor him, now isn't it?
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