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Reply #60 - Apr 7^th, 2015 at 11:33am

Soren wrote on Apr 5^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 5^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 5^th, 2015 at 3:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 10:12pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 9:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 6:10pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

Are you cured of your Islamophobia? YES/NO

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I'll accept that as a "no," then shall I, Soren? Roll Eyes

What aspects of Islam do YOU like, Brain?

Respect for elders?
Respect for private property?
Respect for the individual?
Respect for women?
Respect for children?

Just a few, Soren, just a few... Roll Eyes

What is uniquely Islamic about any of these, spineless squishy bedwetter.

Please explain.

Moving the goal posts again, Soren? You know, someone who was more mature than you would just admit defeat... Roll Eyes

Eating and sleeping are done by Islam so now they are Islamic positives?

Respect for elders?
Respect for private property?
Respect for the individual?
Respect for women?
Respect for children?

How are any of these done Islamically as opposed to atheist, Christian or Jewish ways?

Eating and sleeping are done by Islam so now they are Islamic positives?

Why did you add the word "uniquely" into your question, Soren?

Brian answered your original question, why not just accept that as his answer? Not only moving the goal post but changing the question, post ipso facto! Naughty Soren! Grin

THese are not Muslim characteristics, these are civilities. You do not need Islam to exhibit or practice any of them - so they are not Islamic traits.

Are you claiming that Islam doesn't emphasize these aspects of human behavior and reinforce them with it's teachings Soren?

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My question was not answered, merely sidestepped in his customary idiotic way.

Ah, so you're playing the "blame the answerer for answering the question you asked rather than answering the question you meant to ask," Card Soren? How amusing! Grin

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #62 - Apr 7^th, 2015 at 6:32pm

|dev|null wrote on Apr 7^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Are you claiming that Islam doesn't emphasize these aspects of human behavior and reinforce them with it's teachings Soren?

Every culture emphasises these aspects of human behaviour and reinforces them with its teachings.

So you do not need Islam as it brings nothing new or special.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #63 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 11:31am

Soren wrote on Apr 7^th, 2015 at 6:32pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 7^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Are you claiming that Islam doesn't emphasize these aspects of human behavior and reinforce them with it's teachings Soren?

Every culture emphasises these aspects of human behaviour and reinforces them with its teachings.

So you do not need Islam as it brings nothing new or special.

Except to the people who feel it's special emphasize is important to them? Nah, that can't be right, now can it, Soren? Cheesy

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #64 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 1:21pm

|dev|null wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

Soren wrote on Apr 7^th, 2015 at 6:32pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 7^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Are you claiming that Islam doesn't emphasize these aspects of human behavior and reinforce them with it's teachings Soren?

Every culture emphasises these aspects of human behaviour and reinforces them with its teachings.

So you do not need Islam as it brings nothing new or special.

Except to the people who feel it's special emphasize is important to them? Nah, that can't be right, now can it, Soren? Cheesy

"Special emphasis"? How special? What makes it special?
A load of Hot Air.

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Reply #65 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 2:33pm

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 1:21pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

Soren wrote on Apr 7^th, 2015 at 6:32pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 7^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Are you claiming that Islam doesn't emphasize these aspects of human behavior and reinforce them with it's teachings Soren?

Every culture emphasises these aspects of human behaviour and reinforces them with its teachings.

So you do not need Islam as it brings nothing new or special.

Except to the people who feel it's special emphasize is important to them? Nah, that can't be right, now can it, Soren? Cheesy

"Special emphasis"? How special? What makes it special?
A load of Hot Air.

Really? Have you spoken to many Muslims about this issue, personally Soren? What were their names? Cheesy

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #66 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 3:38pm

|dev|null wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 2:33pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 1:21pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

Soren wrote on Apr 7^th, 2015 at 6:32pm:

|dev|null wrote on Apr 7^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

Are you claiming that Islam doesn't emphasize these aspects of human behavior and reinforce them with it's teachings Soren?

Every culture emphasises these aspects of human behaviour and reinforces them with its teachings.

So you do not need Islam as it brings nothing new or special.

Except to the people who feel it's special emphasize is important to them? Nah, that can't be right, now can it, Soren? Cheesy

"Special emphasis"? How special? What makes it special?
A load of Hot Air.

Really? Have you spoken to many Muslims about this issue, personally Soren? What were their names? Cheesy

Mohammad Shafia. 'Special respect' for wife, daughters.
Skaf brothers - 'special respect' for women and for cultural diversity.
"We have kidnappings, abductions, assaults, sexual offences. Anything that you can imagine could happen, does happen, in the name of honour," says Nazir Afzal, Crown Prosecutor for the north-west of England. "Special respect".
Hizb ul Tahrir Australia - “Honour killings are morally justified”.

And so on, ad nauseam.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #67 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 5:34pm

What the hell is wrong with a person who can't identify the difference between an ordinary Muslim and a raving fanatic?

There are over a billion Muslims in the world ... if they were all as some on this thread would have us think they are, there would be bombs and be-headings everywhere. There just isn't evidence for a 'death cult'.

Reality proves very strongly that the majority of Muslims are peaceful and are just like the majority of us in their desire to simply go about their lives.

The problem is with fanatical loonies ... on ALL sides. A few hateful fanatics have shown their true colours in this thread, and they aren't Muslim.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #68 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:15pm

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 5:34pm:

What the hell is wrong with a person who can't identify the difference between an ordinary Muslim and a raving fanatic?

There are over a billion Muslims in the world ... if they were all as some on this thread would have us think they are, there would be bombs and be-headings everywhere. There just isn't evidence for a 'death cult'.

Reality proves very strongly that the majority of Muslims are peaceful and are just like the majority of us in their desire to simply go about their lives.

The problem is with fanatical loonies ... on ALL sides. A few hateful fanatics have shown their true colours in this thread, and they aren't Muslim.

And what links the 'vast majority' and the 'tiny minority', what do they have in common?

(careful, trick question).

The discussions are always about the ideology of Islam and the degree of adherence by individuals to that ideology.

And there are no fanatical loonies on ALL sides - unless you mean all sides of Islam, shias, sunnis, alawites; wahabbis, talibs, salafis etc.

Re death cult - "We love death more than you love life" - who said that? ALL sides???

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #69 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:26pm

You are missing the point. MOST Muslims do not adhere to violence.

This is evident by the fact that there are over a billion of them and most live perfectly peacefully.

You are applying the actions, the interpretations and testimonials of the rabid few to the whole.

The same can be applied to any religion. All religions have their extremists. Fundamentalist Christians and Zionist Jews are not representative of the main and both behave very badly indeed.

As i am not, as an Australian, represented by the participants of the Cronulla riots.

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Reply #71 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:40pm

The rabid, violent ones are motivated by a purist view of Islam. The peaceful Muslims are afraid of them - as is everyone else - so they, the peaceful ones, are cowering or are saying things like violence has nothing to to with Islam.

This is a lie. Islam is not peaceful. Most religions aren't but Islam is doctrinally violent, violent in its core teachings. No use smudging this by saying that most Muslims are not crazy-lunatic. A thorough and fearlessly critical attitude towards Islam - as towards any ideology - is necessary and Muslim violence should not be treated as a a sufficient argument against such a critical approach.

Muslims are now in every country so Islam's problems are everyone's problems.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #72 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:43pm

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

As i am not, as an Australian, represented by the participants of the Cronulla riots.

This is a typical and very lazy and very stupid argument.

It's like saying ' Not every German was a Nazi so let's not criticise German National Socialism' or not every Russian was a member of the Communist Party so let's not criticise Stalinism or communist ideology.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #73 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:54pm

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

The rabid, violent ones are motivated by a purist view of Islam. The peaceful Muslims are afraid of them - as is everyone else - so they, the peaceful ones, are cowering or are saying things like violence has nothing to to with Islam.

This is a lie. Islam is not peaceful. Most religions aren't but Islam is doctrinally violent, violent in its core teachings. No use smudging this by saying that most Muslims are not crazy-lunatic. A thorough and fearlessly critical attitude towards Islam - as towards any ideology - is necessary and Muslim violence should not be treated as a a sufficient argument against such a critical approach.

Muslims are now in every country so Islam's problems are everyone's problems.

What a load of bollocks. They are motivated by a twisted view of Islam ... just as the Westboro Baptist Church is motivated by a twisted version of the bible ... as Zionists are motivated by a twisted version of their own scriptures.

Twisted interpretations.

As for moderate Muslims being afraid of them, they are the most active voices of dissent and the primary fighters on the ground against fanaticism.

Islam is not a problem. Islam has been in Australia since the 1800's, coexisting just fine... as it will continue to do. Raving, hateful loonies are a problem. On ALL sides.

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Re: The 'moderate Muslim' 5th column in the West
Reply #74 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:56pm

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:43pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

As i am not, as an Australian, represented by the participants of the Cronulla riots.

This is a typical and very lazy and very stupid argument.

It's like saying ' Not every German was a Nazi so let's not criticise German National Socialism' or not every Russian was a member of the Communist Party so let's not criticise Stalinism or communist ideology.

Did you thinjk that through?

How can you compare nationwide systems of governance with a few neanderthilic yobbos acting out of pig-ignorance and utter stupidity?

Most Australians were embarrassed by them to the point of mortification.

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