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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41942	'It was empowering': Emily's hijab experiment Apr 4^th, 2015 at 3:31pm 'It was empowering': Emily's hijab experiment. Interesting choice of words.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41942	Re: 'It was empowering': Emily's hijab experiment Reply #2 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 3:58pm ... wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 3:53pm: "Empowering" is a nothing word women use. It's not uncommon for porn stars to say getting roughly buggered on camera is "empowering". An interesting comment. Care to provide a link to such a quote?
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Reply #3 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 4:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

... wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 3:53pm:

"Empowering" is a nothing word women use. It's not uncommon for porn stars to say getting roughly buggered on camera is "empowering".

An interesting comment. Care to provide a link to such a quote? Roll Eyes

http://www.salon.com/2014/04/10/rough_sex_can_be_empowering_for_women_too_partne...

It's only an article, but enjoy anyway.

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In the fullness of time...

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: 'It was empowering': Emily's hijab experiment Reply #4 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 4:30pm Its basically part of the job description for female porn actors to constantly repeat the mantra that their performances are "empowering" for them (or something equivalent).
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Reply #5 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 5:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Its basically part of the job description for female porn actors to constantly repeat the mantra that their performances are "empowering" for them (or something equivalent).

And that is as believable as Muslim women, who are worth half a man in Islam, saying they are empowered by being fully Muslim.

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Reply #6 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 8:59pm

Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

And that is as believable as Muslim women, who are worth half a man in Islam, saying they are empowered by being fully Muslim.

And what about women who become muslim in the belief that women are not considered worth half a man in Islam?

The claim comes from a verse in the Quran regarding the witnessing of financial contracts. It states that it must be witnessed either by a man or two women. Yet nowhere does it state that the reason for this is that women are worth half a man. The stated reason is that both women can back the other up in the event of a dispute. This is easily understandable in the context of the mysoginistic/patriarchal society that Islam was born in - in such a society such a woman could easily be the target of opportunists seeking to intimidate her or discredit her in order to change or annul the contract. The second female witness acts as an insurance against this.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #7 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 9:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

And that is as believable as Muslim women, who are worth half a man in Islam, saying they are empowered by being fully Muslim.

And what about women who become muslim in the belief that women are not considered worth half a man in Islam?

The claim comes from a verse in the Quran regarding the witnessing of financial contracts. It states that it must be witnessed either by a man or two women. Yet nowhere does it state that the reason for this is that women are worth half a man. The stated reason is that both women can back the other up in the event of a dispute. This is easily understandable in the context of the mysoginistic/patriarchal society that Islam was born in - in such a society such a woman could easily be the target of opportunists seeking to intimidate her or discredit her in order to change or annul the contract. The second female witness acts as an insurance against this.

There is no evidence that Muslims have left the "mysoginistic/patriarchal society that Islam was born in" behind and have moved on to something different.

There is no 'updated' sharia. Islam, is what Islam is. there is no development from Mohammed. It is impossible for Islam to move on from Mohammed. Reformation is the death of Islam.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: 'It was empowering': Emily's hijab experiment Reply #8 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 9:08pm You haven't answered the question S.
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Reply #9 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 9:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

And that is as believable as Muslim women, who are worth half a man in Islam, saying they are empowered by being fully Muslim.

And what about women who become muslim in the belief that women are not considered worth half a man in Islam?

The claim comes from a verse in the Quran regarding the witnessing of financial contracts. It states that it must be witnessed either by a man or two women. Yet nowhere does it state that the reason for this is that women are worth half a man. The stated reason is that both women can back the other up in the event of a dispute. This is easily understandable in the context of the mysoginistic/patriarchal society that Islam was born in - in such a society such a woman could easily be the target of opportunists seeking to intimidate her or discredit her in order to change or annul the contract. The second female witness acts as an insurance against this.

The old boy knows all this. In fact, he used to use his women-worth-half-a-man line in this context only. He's extended it to the whole notion of Islamic gender.

The old boy, you see, believes in truth, freeeeedom, and the Old Boy way.

Taqiyya, innit.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95911 Gender:	Re: 'It was empowering': Emily's hijab experiment Reply #10 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 9:20pm polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 9:08pm: You haven't answered the question S. He doesn't need to. The old boy has simply regurgitated always, absolutely, never ever. The old boy has the self-consciousness of a gravestone.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: 'It was empowering': Emily's hijab experiment Reply #11 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 9:31pm So men and women are equal, as human beings, in Islam, then? Why don't you two go off somewhere private where you can commune with your idiocy? How about that? Women are worth half of what men are worth in Islamic law - in testimony, inheritance, in practice.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95911 Gender:	Re: 'It was empowering': Emily's hijab experiment Reply #12 - Apr 4^th, 2015 at 9:40pm Soren wrote on Apr 4^th, 2015 at 9:31pm: Why don't you two go off somewhere private where you can commune with your idiocy? Good heavens, dear boy. Why would anyone do that when they have you?
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Happy Lucky Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1030 Gender:	Re: 'It was empowering': Emily's hijab experiment Reply #13 - Apr 5^th, 2015 at 8:04am So empowering she's decided to wear it all the time. Note the main picture.
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Reply #14 - Apr 11^th, 2015 at 4:18pm

Council backs social experiment encouraging women to wear hijabs

UPDATE: The mayor of Dandenong council has defended a social experiment encouraging non-Muslim women to wear hijabs for youth week celebrations.
"This has come about by a couple of women from Minaret College, they found that when they were the hijab they got a lot of questions about when they wear it, where they wear it," Cr Sean O'Reilly said.
"They thought it might be a good activity as part of council's youth week activities to offer to women who want to, to try wearing a hijab for as long as they wish to and then see what reaction they got.
"We got quite a good uptake of very positive people that were interested in another culture."
http://m.theage.com.au/news/council-backs-social-experiment-encouraging-women-to...

Next: Women of Australia, why not try not driving for three hours, or not leaving your house without a male companion? How about walking behind your man for three hours?

Rich tapestry, innit.

How about this: niqabis and hijabies - why not take of your gear for three hours and see how the majority of women around you live?
(a very, very insensitive suggestion, I know).

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