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Apr 6^th, 2015 at 12:38pm

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Kenyan university attacker identified as official's son - Al Jazeera English
Al Jazeera? - 11 hours ago

Interior ministry says gunman involved in slaughter of 148 people in Garissa was government official's son. ... Kenya's interior ministry has identified one of the al-Shabab gunmen who massacred students

Kenya's interior ministry has identified one of the al-Shabab gunmen who massacred students at a northeastern university as the son of a Kenyan government official.

Mwenda Njoka, an interior ministry spokesman, said Abdirahim Abdullahi was among four gunmen who attacked the Garissa University College campus on Thursday, killing 148 people.

"The father had reported to security agents that his son had disappeared from home ... and was helping the police try to trace his son by the time the Garissa terror attack happened," Njoka told the Reuters news agency in a text message.

The Kenya Today website identified Abdullahi as the son of Abdullahi Daqara, the Chief of Bulla Jamhuri in Mandera county.

It described Abdullahi as a former gifted law graduate who had studied at the University of Nairobi.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/kenya-garissa-al-shabab-150405093908543.ht...

These MONSTERS live among us !

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All moslems are monsters in human form, imo.

How do i justify such an accusation ?

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Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ???
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421158879/6#6

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Reply #1 - Apr 6^th, 2015 at 12:40pm

Neither Kenyans NOR Australians,

should expect local moslems to be willing to 'graciously' live "in peace" with us [infidels].

Why so ?

Because ISLAMIC doctrine and law, ABSOLUTELY FORBIDS IT.

And in those places where moslems 'perceive' that Allah has 'provided' moslems an 'opportunity' to engage in Jihad, we should expect that moslems [in increasing numbers] >> will << engage in 'Jihad operations' against us !!!

TWO PRINCIPLE CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH WHEN FOUND TOGETHER WILL ALWAYS 'ENSURE' THE 'RADICALISATION' OF [MANY] LOCAL MOSLEMS

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In places where moslems have both;
1/ the 'means' [i.e. access to military weapons] [e.g. somewhere like Kenya]
AND,
2/ where local political confusion and local political indecision is in evidence [i.e. a political 'environment' which lamely still insists [insanely!] on extending 'goodwill' to local moslems], very little lawful retribution against the local moslem community will be able to be brought to bear.

Where those two circumstances exist, moslems [i.e. some section of the local moslem community] will engage in political violence [on behalf of ISLAM, and on behalf of their community] in that environment.

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WHAT WE ARE TO EXPECT, IN THE CIRCUMSTANCE OF A MOSLEM COMMUNITY, LIVING WITHIN A MAJORITY NON-MOSLEM HOST COMMUNITY

Whenever we see some instances/incidents of ISLAMIC inspired violence within our own community, spokesmen for the moslem community will insist, and tell us to our face, that members of the local moslem community intend us no harm, AND, that ISLAM is a peaceful faith, AND, that we must not take any 'precipitous' action that would be disadvantageous to the local moslem community, because the local community would view such actions be likely to provoke more 'unwelcome' [moslem!] violence 'responses'.

BUT SUCH ASSURANCES, ARE BARE FACED LIES AND MOSLEM SUBTERFUGE.

These moslem lies are a deliberate strategy, in a time of war, designed to try to protect moslems, from retribution.

Google;
Dar al-Harb

To 'the moslem', ALL non-moslem lands are [currently!]; 'Dar al-Harb' , i.e. the House of War !!

THE TRUTH IS THAT;
As soon as a 'guest' moslem community has an 'opportunity' ['provided by Allah'] to engage in Jihad against the majority host community, some moslems [from the local moslem community] will begin to engage in 'Jihad operations' against that majority non-moslem host community.

EVIDENCE #1

Watch a group of moslem children, being coached by moslem adults, to hate Australia, and Australians,
......HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA. !!!!

And of course this cultural coaching of moslem children is all happening behind closed doors, and out of the public eye.

Muslims brainwash children in Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

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EVIDENCE #2

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supportin...
- Australian moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture

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"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"

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jihad is the pinnacle of islam

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Re: garissa university gunmen is son of Kenya governme
Reply #2 - Apr 6^th, 2015 at 12:43pm

There are NO [sincerely] moderate [i.e. peaceful] moslems, because there is no moderate [i.e. peaceful] ISLAM.

Every stinking, filthy moslem, is guilty, ....of being a moslem.

Every stinking, filthy moslem, is guilty of associating themselves with ISLAM.

And by their association, moslems are showing their approval of ISLAM's criminal laws and criminal tenets [criminal, by our laws].

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418244166/15#15
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You mean that we [infidels, on OzPol] are guilty of 'stereotyping' members of the Australian mainstream moslem community!!!!

Shock horror!!!!

Fancy having the gall to associate moslems, .......with, .....moslems!

Fancy having the gall to associate moslems, .......with, .....ISLAM [and with ISLAM's laws and tenets] !

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

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Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

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QUESTIONS;

If some moslems are good people, then why do moslems themselves, choose to associate themselves with the evil, which clearly ISLAM is, and promotes ?

If moslems are good people,

then why do moslems themselves, choose to associate themselves with a violent criminal philosophy, ISLAM ?

Are some 'innocent' moslems claiming that they are unaware of the evil and violence which ISLAM promotes ?

How credible is such a claim ?

How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a >> moslem <<, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy, ISLAM, which tells moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to lie to, to plunder and to rob, to rape, to enslave, and to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe.

If as some would claim, that individual, non-radicalised moslems are good people, then, again, why do those 'good' people, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???

n.b.
According to ISLAM itself, a good 'moslem', is defined as a person who chooses to embrace the tenets and laws of ISLAM.

The 'prime directive', to all moslems, from Allah is that;

THERE CAN NEVER BE A STATE OF PEACEFUL COEXISTENCE WITH UNBELIEVERS.

Only a never ending warfare.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
[i.e. 'Unbelief' is a crime.]

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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Reply #3 - Apr 6^th, 2015 at 12:45pm

While-ever a local moslem community enjoy an environment of goodwill being extended towards moslems [principally, because local moslems continually assure the host culture that ISLAM is a benign and peaceful faith], the whole moslem community will enjoy a measure of [political] impunity and local goodwill [regardless of the sporadic violent incidents committed by some members of the moslem community].

It should be apparent, that [political] impunity [from responsibility] which is afforded to the whole moslem community, is built ONLY upon the goodwill of the host culture [and its political leadership], towards local moslems.

And experience shows, that local moslems will not [in any way] try to 'assume' the nature of the local culture nor 'assume' the nature of the local 'politic', but instead that local moslems will maliciously and intentionally exploit the goodwill of the host culture [which is being extended towards local moslems].

And 'in return', the local moslem community will extend every effort to seek to politically empower and bolster the local moslem community.

AND WHAT IS MOST GALLING IN MY EYES, IS THAT LOCAL MOSLEMS WILL TRY TO ENSURE THAT THEIR OWN POLITICAL EMPOWERMENT, IS DONE WHOLLY [i.e. as much as is possible!] AT THE POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC COST, OF THE HOST CULTURE!

AND WE ARE NAIVELY FACILITATING THE POLITICAL EMPOWERMENT OF THOSE MOSLEMS, WHO LIVE AMONG US !!!!

We should think of the local moslem community, as a malevolent cancer, growing among us, that draws its own strength, from the host body of non-moslems, and whose [moslem] intent is to kill / destroy the host body!

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Reply #4 - Apr 6^th, 2015 at 3:16pm

A truth speaker.....

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Usama was born in Egypt and grew up in a Christian home. While in government schools in Egypt, he learned about Islam just as every other student does in a Muslim country. Usama also studied for a university degree in Egypt which included the study of Sharia, Islamic Law......

"....Is there any such a thing as a moderate moslem ?.....Absolutely not!!..."

There is no moderate islam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6fDMu5A5dA

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Reply #6 - Apr 6^th, 2015 at 4:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

"....Is there any such a thing as a moderate moslem ?.....Absolutely not!!..."

So, who are the Muslims I know personally, Yadda? Roll Eyes

Brian Ross,

Clearly the moslems that you know, have helped to form your opinion about ISLAM, and about moslems.

But what is an opinion worth, if such an opinion has been formed by, and is based upon erroneous [or misleading] information ?

What is an opinion worth, if that opinion [about the nature and character of ISLAM] is not based upon what the laws and tenets of ISLAM, reveal about ISLAM ?

Yadda said....
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Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible;

"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.

And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"

Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.

Brian Ross,

If what moslems in Australia, have told you about ISLAM to your face, is not consistent with how moslems then behave behind closed doors, then which 'narrative' [about the nature of ISLAM] can you believe ???

e.g.

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EVIDENCE #1

Watch a group of moslem children, being coached by moslem adults, to hate Australia, and Australians,
......HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA. !!!!

And of course this cultural coaching of moslem children is all happening behind closed doors, and out of the public eye.

Muslims brainwash children in Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

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EVIDENCE #2

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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Yadda said....
Quote:

QUESTIONS;

If some moslems are good people, then why do moslems themselves, choose to associate themselves with the evil, which clearly ISLAM is, and promotes ?

If moslems are good people,

then why do moslems themselves, choose to associate themselves with a violent criminal philosophy, ISLAM ?

Are some 'innocent' moslems claiming that they are unaware of the evil and violence which ISLAM promotes ?

How credible is such a claim ?

How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a >> moslem <<, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy, ISLAM, which tells moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to lie to, to plunder and to rob, to rape, to enslave, and to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe.

If as some would claim, that individual, non-radicalised moslems are good people, then, again, why do those 'good' people, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???

n.b.
According to ISLAM itself, a good 'moslem', is defined as a person who chooses to embrace the tenets and laws of ISLAM.

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Re: garissa university gunmen is son of Kenya governme
Reply #7 - Apr 6^th, 2015 at 6:33pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 4:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

"....Is there any such a thing as a moderate moslem ?.....Absolutely not!!..."

So, who are the Muslims I know personally, Yadda? Roll Eyes

Brian Ross,

Clearly the moslems that you know, have helped to form your opinion about ISLAM, and about moslems.

I really can't think of anybody else to ask, Yadda... Roll Eyes

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: garissa university gunmen is son of Kenya governme Reply #9 - Apr 6^th, 2015 at 9:30pm Brian Ross wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 4:12pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 3:16pm: "....Is there any such a thing as a moderate moslem ?.....Absolutely not!!..." So, who are the Muslims I know personally, Yadda? Yeah, who are they?
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Reply #10 - Apr 6^th, 2015 at 11:06pm

Soren wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

"....Is there any such a thing as a moderate moslem ?.....Absolutely not!!..."

So, who are the Muslims I know personally, Yadda? Roll Eyes

Yeah, who are they?

Abdul
Mohammed
Suliman
Soloman
Fadil

So, who do you know personally who is a Muslim, Soren? Roll Eyes

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21699 A cat with a view	Re: garissa university gunmen is son of Kenya governme Reply #11 - Apr 6^th, 2015 at 11:51pm polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 7:50pm: Yadda wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 12:38pm: All moslems are monsters in human form, imo. Yadda I'm curious - why did you "quote" yourself saying something you didn't say? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1422320909/7#7
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Reply #12 - Apr 7^th, 2015 at 12:14am

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 4:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

"....Is there any such a thing as a moderate moslem ?.....Absolutely not!!..."

So, who are the Muslims I know personally, Yadda? Roll Eyes

Brian Ross,

Clearly the moslems that you know, have helped to form your opinion about ISLAM, and about moslems.

I really can't think of anybody else to ask, Yadda... Roll Eyes

But because you can't image who else to ask about ISLAM, does that mean, that you should uncritically believe what they [moslems] tell you [about ISLAM] ?

You seem to believe that it does.

Google;
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

HERE IS ANOTHER A DIFFERENT MOSLEM OPINION ABOUT ISLAM ---------- >

Undercover Mosque Dispatches Channel 4 BANNED on YouTube Link Below on VIMEO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHhbYxlYvLM

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dispatches undercover mosque, channel 4, -Return

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Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Quote:

Taqiyya
“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

google

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Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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I really can't think of anybody else to ask [about ISLAM], Yadda...

Why not ask EX-moslems about ISLAM, brian ???

EX-muslim websites - ISLAM under scrutiny by ex-muslims;

http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/aboutus.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/

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Re: garissa university gunmen is son of Kenya governme
Reply #13 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 2:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 11:06pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

"....Is there any such a thing as a moderate moslem ?.....Absolutely not!!..."

So, who are the Muslims I know personally, Yadda? Roll Eyes

Yeah, who are they?

Abdul
Mohammed
Suliman
Soloman
Fadil

So, who do you know personally who is a Muslim, Soren? Roll Eyes

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Re: garissa university gunmen is son of Kenya governme
Reply #14 - Apr 8^th, 2015 at 3:11pm

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 11:06pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 6^th, 2015 at 3:16pm:

"....Is there any such a thing as a moderate moslem ?.....Absolutely not!!..."

So, who are the Muslims I know personally, Yadda? Roll Eyes

Yeah, who are they?

Abdul
Mohammed
Suliman
Soloman
Fadil

So, who do you know personally who is a Muslim, Soren? Roll Eyes

Soren is that an admission you don't know any? Grin

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