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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #105 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:28pm

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad, yes or no?

No.

Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris?

I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations-
quran.com/33/21

I bet BaronVonRort highlights and-or dog-ears all the naughty bits for his personal self-titillation.

Having read this entire thread to ensure I wasn't mistaken, I am astonished at your ability to reduce so many pages of banter into a single sentence that so succinctly demonstrates your insight and appreciation of such matters.

Your contribution is valued.

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #106 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:36pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:28pm:

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad, yes or no?

No.

Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris?

I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations-
quran.com/33/21

I bet BaronVonRort highlights and-or dog-ears all the naughty bits for his personal self-titillation.

Having read this entire thread to ensure I wasn't mistaken, I am astonished at your ability to reduce so many pages of banter into a single sentence that so succinctly demonstrates your insight and appreciation of such matters.

Your contribution is valued.

Grin

Thank you for your endorsement.

Svengali's works are certainly more intellectually and spiritually inspirational than the depravities of Lionel Edriess who seeks inspration from study of the contents of Lionel Edriess's overful adult diaper.

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Lionel Edriess

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #107 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:59pm

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:28pm:

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad, yes or no?

No.

Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris?

I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations-
quran.com/33/21

I bet BaronVonRort highlights and-or dog-ears all the naughty bits for his personal self-titillation.

Having read this entire thread to ensure I wasn't mistaken, I am astonished at your ability to reduce so many pages of banter into a single sentence that so succinctly demonstrates your insight and appreciation of such matters.

Your contribution is valued.

Grin

Thank you for your endorsement.

Svengali's works are certainly more intellectually and spiritually inspirational than the depravities of Lionel Edriess who seeks inspration from study of the contents of Lionel Edriess's overful adult diaper.

Aaaaaaah! Your second contribution to the thread, albeit couched in a potty-mouthed reply to my previous admonishment. Take a ticket, precious, and stand in line.

What is your contribution to the OP, Oh Sensitive One?

Are our local subdued Muslim families held captive to the same ideologies of overseas influences?

Or are Australian Muslims united in the struggle for acceptance in this country - where religious freedom is guaranteed?

If Australians are truly 'Islamophobic', help us kufrs understand the complexity of Islamic 'peace'.

Or is your true message one of discord?

One often wonders about your messages.

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #108 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:12pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:28pm:

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad, yes or no?

No.

Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris?

I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations-
quran.com/33/21

I bet BaronVonRort highlights and-or dog-ears all the naughty bits for his personal self-titillation.

Having read this entire thread to ensure I wasn't mistaken, I am astonished at your ability to reduce so many pages of banter into a single sentence that so succinctly demonstrates your insight and appreciation of such matters.

Your contribution is valued.

Grin

Thank you for your endorsement.

Svengali's works are certainly more intellectually and spiritually inspirational than the depravities of Lionel Edriess who seeks inspration from study of the contents of Lionel Edriess's overful adult diaper.

Aaaaaaah! Your second contribution to the thread, albeit couched in a potty-mouthed reply to my previous admonishment. Take a ticket, precious, and stand in line.

What is your contribution to the OP, Oh Sensitive One?

Are our local subdued Muslim families held captive to the same ideologies of overseas influences?

Or are Australian Muslims united in the struggle for acceptance in this country - where religious freedom is guaranteed?

If Australians are truly 'Islamophobic', help us kufrs understand the complexity of Islamic 'peace'.

Or is your true message one of discord?

One often wonders about your messages.

Cool

I wonder if the Irish Australians had to face the same sort of bigotry as Muslim Australians do today? I know the German and Italian Australians did during WWI and WWII. Roll Eyes

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #109 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:20pm

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Are our local subdued Muslim families held captive to the same ideologies of overseas influences?

No. Different economic and social environment produces different influences.

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Or are Australian Muslims united in the struggle for acceptance in this country - where religious freedom is guaranteed?

Muslims are united by their religion and their family and immediate social environment.
Religious freedom is not guaranteed and needs to be constantly defended.

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If Australians are truly 'Islamophobic', help us kufrs understand the complexity of Islamic 'peace'.

Australians don't want to understand. They are sheep in the spell of instigators and jingoists.

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Or is your true message one of discord?

Lionel Edriess needs to work on its comprehension and debating skills.

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We first fought the heathens in the name of religion, then Communism, and now in the name of drugs and terrorism. Our excuses for global domination always change.
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Steampipe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1914 WA Gender:	Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia... Reply #110 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:48pm Svengali how can you respond in the name of islam, you are not a muslem, you cannot speak for them.
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Svengali Gold Member Offline Please don't thank me Posts: 3474 Gender:	Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia... Reply #111 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 6:02pm Steampipe wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:48pm: Svengali how can you respond in the name of islam, you are not a muslem, you cannot speak for them. You are a total dolt Steampipe. Did I ever claim to be responding in the name of Islam? Get an education and get a life.
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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #112 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 7:06pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:12pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:28pm:

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad, yes or no?

No.

Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris?

I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations-
quran.com/33/21

I bet BaronVonRort highlights and-or dog-ears all the naughty bits for his personal self-titillation.

Having read this entire thread to ensure I wasn't mistaken, I am astonished at your ability to reduce so many pages of banter into a single sentence that so succinctly demonstrates your insight and appreciation of such matters.

Your contribution is valued.

Grin

Thank you for your endorsement.

Svengali's works are certainly more intellectually and spiritually inspirational than the depravities of Lionel Edriess who seeks inspration from study of the contents of Lionel Edriess's overful adult diaper.

Aaaaaaah! Your second contribution to the thread, albeit couched in a potty-mouthed reply to my previous admonishment. Take a ticket, precious, and stand in line.

What is your contribution to the OP, Oh Sensitive One?

Are our local subdued Muslim families held captive to the same ideologies of overseas influences?

Or are Australian Muslims united in the struggle for acceptance in this country - where religious freedom is guaranteed?

If Australians are truly 'Islamophobic', help us kufrs understand the complexity of Islamic 'peace'.

Or is your true message one of discord?

One often wonders about your messages.

Cool

I wonder if the Irish Australians had to face the same sort of bigotry as Muslim Australians do today? I know the German and Italian Australians did during WWI and WWII. Roll Eyes

I suppose you could see parallels in what motivated the likes of Ned Kelly (an Irish Australian) and those involved in the 'Broken Hill massacre'. Not too far apart in time.

Catholicism and Islam, both 'discriminated' against.

One results in crime - robbery and murder. One results in massacre.

The Australian Germans and Italians, and almost all those deemed hostile to our interests, faced 'bigotry' during those times, that is true. What is also true is that the vast majority of them were Christian. And there were lots of them.

How many of those abused Christians 'massacred' as a result of that 'bigotry'?

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #113 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 7:42pm

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

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Are our local subdued Muslim families held captive to the same ideologies of overseas influences?
No. Different economic and social environment produces different influences. ...

Yet despite all these different influences, Islamic doctrine remains the same - 'Kill, or subjugate, the Unbeliever'. Islam is the uniting influence of all Muslims, it's only their 'internal' interpretations of their own doctrine that provoke their barbaric behaviour towards one another. The only thing uniting all Muslims is their antagonism toward anything non-Islamic.

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

.... Muslims are united by their religion and their family and immediate social environment.
Religious freedom is not guaranteed and needs to be constantly defended. ...

Muslims (read Islamists) operate independently of 'family' and social environments.Their 'religion' demands that they further the aims of Islam - everything else is secondary. A Muslim is considered apostate if they don't follow the 'rules'.

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

... Australians don't want to understand. They are sheep in the spell of instigators and jingoists. ...

Are you not Australian? What do we not understand?

If you think we are unaware of what is happening elsewhere, you might be surprised by our awareness. Not all of us are deluded by the MSM and the platitudes of the supposedly influential. Australians, generally, have quite a good grasp of reality and learn quickly from experience.

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

... Lionel Edriess needs to work on its comprehension and debating skills.

I'm smart enough to comprehend that you have yet to offer any form of debate.

All you've offered so far is cant and derogatory commentary.

Experience without failure teaches nothing.

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #114 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 8:02pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad, yes or no?

No.

Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris?

I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations-
quran.com/33/21

The Quran also told us to use our brain. I'm fairly sure The Almighty did not have growing a fist sized beard or eating with the right hand in mind when He stated this.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #115 - Apr 13^th, 2015 at 8:28am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

Greg, Islamophobes are people who get accused by the likes of you of having irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. They can deny it, but their criticism of Islam proves it.

Incorrect.

Criticism of Islam is not Islamophobia.

The people I accuse of being Islamophobes, freely admit that they have a fear and hatred of Muslims.

So you keep saying Greg. But I could just as easily say the same about you. Allow me to demonstrate. You freely admit that you have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. Not only that. you are in denial.

See, now you are once again no different to the real Islamophobes.

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #116 - Apr 13^th, 2015 at 9:17am

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 8:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

Greg, Islamophobes are people who get accused by the likes of you of having irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. They can deny it, but their criticism of Islam proves it.

Incorrect.

Criticism of Islam is not Islamophobia.

The people I accuse of being Islamophobes, freely admit that they have a fear and hatred of Muslims.

So you keep saying Greg. But I could just as easily say the same about you. Allow me to demonstrate. You freely admit that you have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. Not only that. you are in denial.

See, now you are once again no different to the real Islamophobes.

Your demonstration is a lie, though. I don't have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. I don't have any fear or hatred of Muslims, irrational or otherwise.

The Islamophobes on here, however, freely admit to hating and fearing all Muslims.

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #117 - Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:30pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 7:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:12pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:28pm:

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad, yes or no?

No.

Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris?

I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations-
quran.com/33/21

I bet BaronVonRort highlights and-or dog-ears all the naughty bits for his personal self-titillation.

Having read this entire thread to ensure I wasn't mistaken, I am astonished at your ability to reduce so many pages of banter into a single sentence that so succinctly demonstrates your insight and appreciation of such matters.

Your contribution is valued.

Grin

Thank you for your endorsement.

Svengali's works are certainly more intellectually and spiritually inspirational than the depravities of Lionel Edriess who seeks inspration from study of the contents of Lionel Edriess's overful adult diaper.

Aaaaaaah! Your second contribution to the thread, albeit couched in a potty-mouthed reply to my previous admonishment. Take a ticket, precious, and stand in line.

What is your contribution to the OP, Oh Sensitive One?

Are our local subdued Muslim families held captive to the same ideologies of overseas influences?

Or are Australian Muslims united in the struggle for acceptance in this country - where religious freedom is guaranteed?

If Australians are truly 'Islamophobic', help us kufrs understand the complexity of Islamic 'peace'.

Or is your true message one of discord?

One often wonders about your messages.

Cool

I wonder if the Irish Australians had to face the same sort of bigotry as Muslim Australians do today? I know the German and Italian Australians did during WWI and WWII. Roll Eyes

I suppose you could see parallels in what motivated the likes of Ned Kelly (an Irish Australian) and those involved in the 'Broken Hill massacre'. Not too far apart in time.

Catholicism and Islam, both 'discriminated' against.

One results in crime - robbery and murder. One results in massacre.

The Australian Germans and Italians, and almost all those deemed hostile to our interests, faced 'bigotry' during those times, that is true. What is also true is that the vast majority of them were Christian. And there were lots of them.

How many of those abused Christians 'massacred' as a result of that 'bigotry'?

How many Australians were "massacred" at Broken Hill? I'd hardly call four shot dead and seven wounded a "massacre"! Typical hyperbole from a noted Islamophobe!

I suppose it's just so much more civilised to lock people up, on the mere suspicion of their supporting their old homelands, despite having come to a completely new one, invariably to escape from their persecution and oppression in their old homelands! Yes, real smart that. Typical bigoted thinking though. Grin

Today the internment camps are considered just another blight on our supposed proud history. No one thinks they were a good idea today! Grin

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #118 - Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:40pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 9:17am:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 8:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

Greg, Islamophobes are people who get accused by the likes of you of having irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. They can deny it, but their criticism of Islam proves it.

Incorrect.

Criticism of Islam is not Islamophobia.

The people I accuse of being Islamophobes, freely admit that they have a fear and hatred of Muslims.

So you keep saying Greg. But I could just as easily say the same about you. Allow me to demonstrate. You freely admit that you have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. Not only that. you are in denial.

See, now you are once again no different to the real Islamophobes.

Your demonstration is a lie, though. I don't have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. I don't have any fear or hatred of Muslims, irrational or otherwise.

The Islamophobes on here, however, freely admit to hating and fearing all Muslims.

You are missing the point Greg. As you so freely demonstrate, it has nothing to do with what people actually say, only with what others accuse them of saying. Hence, you are still no different to the rest of the Islamophobes. They are all in denial of their condition, just like you. As you can see, neither your own denials, nor your accusations leveled against them is going to change this, so repeating your denials and accusations means nothing.

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Today the internment camps are considered just another blight on our supposed proud history. No one thinks they were a good idea today!

The war was a blight, and everything that goes with it, but I don't see many people arguing we should have given German and Japanese immigrants free reign while we were at war with Japan and Germany.

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #119 - Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:50pm

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 9:17am:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 8:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

Greg, Islamophobes are people who get accused by the likes of you of having irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. They can deny it, but their criticism of Islam proves it.

Incorrect.

Criticism of Islam is not Islamophobia.

The people I accuse of being Islamophobes, freely admit that they have a fear and hatred of Muslims.

So you keep saying Greg. But I could just as easily say the same about you. Allow me to demonstrate. You freely admit that you have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. Not only that. you are in denial.

See, now you are once again no different to the real Islamophobes.

Your demonstration is a lie, though. I don't have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. I don't have any fear or hatred of Muslims, irrational or otherwise.

The Islamophobes on here, however, freely admit to hating and fearing all Muslims.

You are missing the point Greg. As you so freely demonstrate, it has nothing to do with what people actually say, only with what others accuse them of saying. Hence, you are still no different to the rest of the Islamophobes. They are all in denial of their condition ...

Incorrect.

The Islamophobes on here are not in denial - they openly admit that they hate and fear all Muslims.

I don't hate or fear them - I just think their religion is silly.

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