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Reply #120 - Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:54pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

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Are our local subdued Muslim families held captive to the same ideologies of overseas influences?
No. Different economic and social environment produces different influences. ...

Yet despite all these different influences, Islamic doctrine remains the same - 'Kill, or subjugate, the Unbeliever'. Islam is the uniting influence of all Muslims, it's only their 'internal' interpretations of their own doctrine that provoke their barbaric behaviour towards one another. The only thing uniting all Muslims is their antagonism toward anything non-Islamic.

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

.... Muslims are united by their religion and their family and immediate social environment.
Religious freedom is not guaranteed and needs to be constantly defended. ...

Muslims (read Islamists) operate independently of 'family' and social environments.Their 'religion' demands that they further the aims of Islam - everything else is secondary. A Muslim is considered apostate if they don't follow the 'rules'.

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

... Australians don't want to understand. They are sheep in the spell of instigators and jingoists. ...

Are you not Australian? What do we not understand?

If you think we are unaware of what is happening elsewhere, you might be surprised by our awareness. Not all of us are deluded by the MSM and the platitudes of the supposedly influential. Australians, generally, have quite a good grasp of reality and learn quickly from experience.

Svengali wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

... Lionel Edriess needs to work on its comprehension and debating skills.

I'm smart enough to comprehend that you have yet to offer any form of debate.

All you've offered so far is cant and derogatory commentary.

Experience without failure teaches nothing.
Cool

I am delivering what you seek to sake your ignorance and masochism.

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #121 - Apr 13^th, 2015 at 3:27pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 9:17am:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 8:28am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

Greg, Islamophobes are people who get accused by the likes of you of having irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. They can deny it, but their criticism of Islam proves it.

Incorrect.

Criticism of Islam is not Islamophobia.

The people I accuse of being Islamophobes, freely admit that they have a fear and hatred of Muslims.

So you keep saying Greg. But I could just as easily say the same about you. Allow me to demonstrate. You freely admit that you have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. Not only that. you are in denial.

See, now you are once again no different to the real Islamophobes.

Your demonstration is a lie, though. I don't have an irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. I don't have any fear or hatred of Muslims, irrational or otherwise.

The Islamophobes on here, however, freely admit to hating and fearing all Muslims.

You are missing the point Greg. As you so freely demonstrate, it has nothing to do with what people actually say, only with what others accuse them of saying. Hence, you are still no different to the rest of the Islamophobes. They are all in denial of their condition ...

Incorrect.

The Islamophobes on here are not in denial - they openly admit that they hate and fear all Muslims.

I don't hate or fear them - I just think their religion is silly.

FD's presenting to you an unfalsifiable argument - he merely uses your denial as some kind of proof against you.

I actually can't work out what point he's trying to make either.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49380 At my desk.	Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia... Reply #122 - Apr 13^th, 2015 at 6:38pm Quote: they openly admit that they hate and fear all Muslims. As do you Greg. As do you. See? Now you are back to being an Islamophobe, just like them. No point denying it. They deny it too.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia... Reply #123 - Apr 13^th, 2015 at 6:43pm No he doesn't - you just say he does and somehow think his denial only proves it.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia... Reply #124 - Apr 13^th, 2015 at 6:47pm I hope you don't mind being called an Islamophobe FD - since we can use the exact same logic to "prove" you are one also. In fact I'm an Islamophobe too - no point me denying it - they deny it too. There, proof.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49380 At my desk.	Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia... Reply #125 - Apr 13^th, 2015 at 10:32pm polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 6:43pm: No he doesn't - you just say he does and somehow think his denial only proves it. He is denying it. I can quote him.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia... Reply #126 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 7:42am I can only assume this passes for FD humour. Cause it most definitely doesn't pass for a coherent argument.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139221 Gender:	Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia... Reply #127 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 8:49am freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 6:38pm: No point denying it. They deny it too. That's where you're wrong. They don't deny it at all - they openly admit that they fear and hate all Muslims.
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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #128 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 9:59am

I believe this is the FD rebuttle:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

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they openly admit that they hate and fear all Muslims.

As do you Greg. As do you. See? Now you are back to being an Islamophobe, just like them. No point denying it. They deny it too.

you and the islamophobes admit it - but you also simultaneously deny it. Make sense? Tongue

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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HooYAY its FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 980 Gender:	Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia... Reply #129 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 10:41am What the bugger is there to like about the head hacking murdering scum bags. Oh that's right they don't represent real Muslims....
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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #130 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 11:33am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:50pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

You are missing the point Greg.

As you so freely demonstrate, it has nothing to do with what people actually say, only with what others accuse them of saying.

Hence, you are still no different to the rest of the Islamophobes.

They are all in denial of their condition ...

Incorrect.

The Islamophobes on here are not in denial - they openly admit that they hate and fear all Muslims.

I don't hate or fear them - I just think their religion is silly.

"I don't hate or fear [moslems] - I just think their religion is silly."

greggery,

There are many, many moslems, living here in Australia, who are determined to create the 'circumstance' [here in Australia], where it would be very 'irrational' to openly express such an opinion [i.e. YOUR opinion, above].

You are clearly a very irrational person, imo.

How can you so carelessly, utter such remarks [here in Australia!!], while not knowing which moslems would, feel obligated to seize you, and to cut your head off ??? Tongue

greggery,

Don't you know, that you should show much, much more respect for what moslems believe!!!!! [.......just ask cods] Cheesy

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greggery, you are clearly NOT an ISLAMOPHOBE.
......just a very, very irrational and disrespectful person.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139221 Gender:	Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia... Reply #131 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 12:11pm HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 10:41am: What the bugger is there to like about the head hacking murdering scum bags. The Muslims who do that? - there's absolutely nothing to like. Most of them don't do that, though.
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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #132 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 12:58pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 9:59am:

I believe this is the FD rebuttle:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

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they openly admit that they hate and fear all Muslims.

As do you Greg. As do you. See? Now you are back to being an Islamophobe, just like them. No point denying it. They deny it too.

you and the islamophobes admit it - but you also simultaneously deny it. Make sense? Tongue

As Greg continues to demonstrate, the important (and sufficient) thing is that they are accused of Islamophobia. Greg has made a valiant effort at accusing others to distract from his own Islamophobia, but ultimately all he has done is highlight how he is no different from the rest of the Islamophobes.

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #133 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 1:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 12:11pm:

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 10:41am:

What the bugger is there to like about the head hacking murdering scum bags.

The Muslims who do that? - there's absolutely nothing to like.

Most of them don't do that, though.

With all the conflict over seas i'm begining to wonder! Especially all the muslim V muslim violence.

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #134 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 1:04pm

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 9:59am:

I believe this is the FD rebuttle:

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2015 at 6:38pm:

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they openly admit that they hate and fear all Muslims.

As do you Greg. As do you. See? Now you are back to being an Islamophobe, just like them. No point denying it. They deny it too.

you and the islamophobes admit it - but you also simultaneously deny it. Make sense? Tongue

As Greg continues to demonstrate, the important (and sufficient) thing is that they are accused of Islamophobia. Greg has made a valiant effort at accusing others...

No.

They actually admit to hating and fearing all Muslims.

It has nothing to do with me.

I'm just stating the facts.

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