freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:


He accuses them of Islamophobia because they apparently freely admit their hatred and/or fear of muslims. He argues he is different because he doesn't fear or hate muslims. I believe he's only mentioned this about 5 times already. Thats a clear "difference" wouldn't you say? If you wanted to refute this claim it would seem like common sense to actually address this claim of his and come up with some logic for why you think he is wrong - yet instead, bizarrely, you simply ignore everything he says and just repeat the same accusation.

Its so illogical - I honestly thought you were trying to be funny. Yet apparently you are not 

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 2:58pm:


Has Freediver and his ilk emigrated?

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 3:10pm:


A thousand apologies Haji FriYay. I did not want to threaten your domain.

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 9:50pm:


Sure why not. The same logic applies.

I'm an Islamophobe using your logic - because I deny it just like all the other Islamophobes

right?

Phobias are irrational, fears are not.

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You are an Islamophobe because you go to extraordinary lengths to reinterpret Islam. You are so afraid of Islam that you have become what Muslims fear and hate the most - a hypocrite. Good for you.

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Ah, now I see the difference. When other people do it, they are making accusations. You are stating facts. OK, let me try. It is a fact that you openly admit that you fear and hate all Muslims. Now I hope this is settled.

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 9:10am:


Lets stick with the logic you've been using shall we? Logic that for some reason remains a heavilly guarded FD secret. But it needs to be extracted from you one way or another - since as we both know Greg will happilly go round and round in circles till Kingdom come.

Lets go back to...

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:


From what little you have cryptically revealed of your reasoning - all it really is is simply that you think Greg is making a meaningless and/or flawed accusation against the "Islamophobes". That may be a fair point - but from that we get a) greg is doing it to distract from his own Islamophobia b) he has only succeeded in demonstrating that he is no different to the Islamophobes. This makes no sense - and especially so since you don't even attempt to provide any reasoning for coming to these conclusions. Greg may well be engaging in flawed logic, but it reveals nothing about his own Islamophobia or otherwise - of if it does, you need to explain how.

So, back to my original point - since your only "argument" seems to be that Greg demonstrates his Islamophobia by mere virtue of the fact that he accuses others of Islamophobia - there's no reason why you can't draw the same conclusions about me - or anyone else who accuses others of Islamophobia. Your logic leaves no other alternatives - accusing others of Islamophobia is in and of itself a demonstration of the accusers Islamophobia.

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This is, after all, an Islamophobia debate.

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As I said, what matters is that he makes the accusations. Nothing else matters. Hence the repeated accusations.

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No, that is how he demonstrates others' Islamophobia. You have to accuse Greg for him to be an Islamophobe. Try it. You will feel better. You may have to repeat it a few times for it to sink in. This is one of these things that makes more sense if you go through the motions. You are overthinking it at the moment.

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As I explained, I have other reasons for that.