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Reply #90 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:37am

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:11am:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

Greggory, I take from your 'slippery' answer ...

Slippery? Which part was slippery?

"I don't support capital punishment under any circumstances, in any countries, for any crimes, or any other reason whatsoever."

My answer couldn't have been clearer, or more honest.

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

... that you are in opposition of the teachings of the Koran visa vie capital punishment.

Absolutely correct.

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

Now for your views on death for apostasy. Let me guess; 'silly'.

Barbaric, to say the least.

It must be say-it-like-it-is-Saturday. Who would have guessed that Greg has such an irrational fear of Islam?

See, that's where you and the rest of them always get it wrong.

I don't like Islam, however, I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims.

One can disagree with something, without fearing it.

That's what all the Islamophobes say Greg. What makes you any different?

I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims.

Sore End, Yadda, Sprint, et al do.

They freely admit that they hate Muslims.

I don't hate Muslims.

It is the irrational bit that I refer to. Why is your stance rational and theirs irrational? Because you disagree with them? You have the 'correct' amount of disdain for Islam and anyone who thinks differently obviously isn't thinking straight? Or is it just that you have no rational counterargument and resort to irrational slurs like Islamophobe instead?

I don't have a fear or hatred of Muslims, rational or irrational.

That's how I'm different to the Islamophobes.

Capiche?

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #91 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:37am

I must admit, its a fair question greg - when you trip over yourself trying play up your "Islamic ideology sux" credentials, it doesn't leave you a lot of room for maneuver in defending muslims. If a muslim is defined as a person who adheres to a barbaric and dangerous religion (which you do) You are basically only left with the old "muslims are ok in spite of their beliefs." Which is not terribly convincing.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #92 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:41am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:37am:

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:11am:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

Greggory, I take from your 'slippery' answer ...

Slippery? Which part was slippery?

"I don't support capital punishment under any circumstances, in any countries, for any crimes, or any other reason whatsoever."

My answer couldn't have been clearer, or more honest.

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

... that you are in opposition of the teachings of the Koran visa vie capital punishment.

Absolutely correct.

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

Now for your views on death for apostasy. Let me guess; 'silly'.

Barbaric, to say the least.

It must be say-it-like-it-is-Saturday. Who would have guessed that Greg has such an irrational fear of Islam?

See, that's where you and the rest of them always get it wrong.

I don't like Islam, however, I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims.

One can disagree with something, without fearing it.

That's what all the Islamophobes say Greg. What makes you any different?

I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims.

Sore End, Yadda, Sprint, et al do.

They freely admit that they hate Muslims.

I don't hate Muslims.

It is the irrational bit that I refer to. Why is your stance rational and theirs irrational? Because you disagree with them? You have the 'correct' amount of disdain for Islam and anyone who thinks differently obviously isn't thinking straight? Or is it just that you have no rational counterargument and resort to irrational slurs like Islamophobe instead?

I don't have a fear or hatred of Muslims, rational or irrational.

That's how I'm different to the Islamophobes.

Capiche?

Actually, that is how you are the same. All the Islamophobes say they have no irrational fear or hatred, just like you do.

Capiche?

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #93 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:42am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:37am:

I must admit, its a fair question greg - when you trip over yourself trying play up your "Islamic ideology sux" credentials, it doesn't leave you a lot of room for maneuver in defending muslims. If a muslim is defined as a person who adheres to a barbaric and dangerous religion (which you do) You are basically only left with the old "muslims are ok in spite of their beliefs." Which is not terribly convincing.

I don't have a fear or hatred of Muslims, rational or irrational.

I also don't like reality TV, however, I have no fear or hatred towards Big Brother contestants.

I also don't like country and western music, however, I have no fear or hatred towards Garth Brooks.

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #94 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:44am

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:37am:

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 9:11am:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

Greggory, I take from your 'slippery' answer ...

Slippery? Which part was slippery?

"I don't support capital punishment under any circumstances, in any countries, for any crimes, or any other reason whatsoever."

My answer couldn't have been clearer, or more honest.

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

... that you are in opposition of the teachings of the Koran visa vie capital punishment.

Absolutely correct.

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

Now for your views on death for apostasy. Let me guess; 'silly'.

Barbaric, to say the least.

It must be say-it-like-it-is-Saturday. Who would have guessed that Greg has such an irrational fear of Islam?

See, that's where you and the rest of them always get it wrong.

I don't like Islam, however, I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims.

One can disagree with something, without fearing it.

That's what all the Islamophobes say Greg. What makes you any different?

I don't have an irrational hatred or fear of Muslims.

Sore End, Yadda, Sprint, et al do.

They freely admit that they hate Muslims.

I don't hate Muslims.

It is the irrational bit that I refer to. Why is your stance rational and theirs irrational? Because you disagree with them? You have the 'correct' amount of disdain for Islam and anyone who thinks differently obviously isn't thinking straight? Or is it just that you have no rational counterargument and resort to irrational slurs like Islamophobe instead?

I don't have a fear or hatred of Muslims, rational or irrational.

That's how I'm different to the Islamophobes.

Capiche?

Actually, that is how you are the same. All the Islamophobes say they have no irrational fear or hatred, just like you do.

Capiche?

Incorrect.

They freely admit to their fear and hatred, however, they say that it's rational.

I simply do not have a fear or hatred of Muslims.

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #95 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 10:04am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:42am:

I don't have a fear or hatred of Muslims, rational or irrational.

I'm glad to hear it. But wouldn't it be rational to fear muslims based on your interpretation of Islam? Your understanding of Islamic ideology - from what I've heard from you - seems to be just as critical and vitriolic as the Islamophobes. If this interpretation of yours is indeed the same as the Islamophobes (and I'm happy to be corrected) - that muslims are supposed to believe in slaughtering infidels and spreading Islam by the sword etc - then I put it to you that its they who are being rational in fearing muslims. Moreover, it is you who is irrational assuming that muslims will simply disobey their barbaric laws - despite continuing to call themselves muslim.

But I'm more than happy to be corrected on your understanding of Islamic ideology.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #97 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 10:26am

not besides his oft-repeated descriptions of Islam as "ridiculous", "silly" and "barbaric" - and probably some other similar adjectives. Thats why I'm asking for clarification. But he certainly hasn't hinted at any possibiity that muslim's good behaviour could be doctrinal - his only argument seems to be the old "muslims good in spite of their religion" cliche. And on that basis, I suggest that its you and the other Islamophobes who are the rational ones, not him.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #98 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 10:58am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

not besides his oft-repeated descriptions of Islam as "ridiculous", "silly" and "barbaric" - and probably some other similar adjectives. Thats why I'm asking for clarification. But he certainly hasn't hinted at any possibiity that muslim's good behaviour could be doctrinal - his only argument seems to be the old "muslims good in spite of their religion" cliche. And on that basis, I suggest that its you and the other Islamophobes who are the rational ones, not him.

Your suggestion is irrational, though.

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Reply #100 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:24am

Greg, Islamophobes are people who get accused by the likes of you of having irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. They can deny it, but their criticism of Islam proves it. You still have not demonstrated a difference between you and the Islamophobes. You have merely made the accusation.

Back to the OP, I just saw part of an episode of the Bolt Report, obviously a repeat. It went over the semantic contortions ABC TV went through to avoid mentioning Islam when reporting the Kenya attack. It added the interesting point that many Australian journalists have had credible threats made against them by Muslims, and this may have been a motivator.

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #101 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:36am

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:24am:

Greg, Islamophobes are people who get accused by the likes of you of having irrational fear and hatred of Muslims. They can deny it, but their criticism of Islam proves it.

Incorrect.

Criticism of Islam is not Islamophobia.

The people I accuse of being Islamophobes, freely admit that they have a fear and hatred of Muslims.

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Reply #103 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad, yes or no?

No.

Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris?

I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations-
quran.com/33/21

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Re: The ABC of our Islamophobia...
Reply #104 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:17pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

Gandalf, can you please answer me this? Are all Muslims obligated to follow the example of Muhammad, yes or no?

No.

Does the quran say to follow Mo's example if you want the houris?

I like Muhsin Khan,read all translations-
quran.com/33/21

I bet BaronVonRort highlights and-or dog-ears all the naughty bits for his personal self-titillation.

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