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Iraq - Australia's new Vietnam?
Apr 14^th, 2015 at 5:46pm

You see this is exactly how the script went in Vietnam, sending in "non combatant advisors" Only it didn't turn out that way.

Now we see an increase with a further 300 "advisors" sent to Iraq.

Tell you what Tony, do our troops a favour, bring them all back. Our presence in Iraq won't make an ounce of difference to the major sh.tfight that is taking place in the middle east.

Don't make the same mistake that we made in Vietnam. I previously held a different point of view but looking at the international stage and what ISIS is doing, I can only see this turning out badly for our boys.

When the guy who cooks your dinner or cuts your hair, is likely to be the one who cuts your throat in the middle of the night, then you as a solider are between a rock and a hard place.

Let's get them the hell out of there!!!!!!

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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: Iraq - Australia's new Vietnam? Reply #1 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 5:49pm red baron wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 5:46pm: Let's get them the hell out of there. Yep, why risk troops when you could use nuclear weapons.
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Svengali Gold Member Offline Please don't thank me Posts: 3474 Gender:	Re: Iraq - Australia's new Vietnam? Reply #2 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 5:58pm Tony Abbott's just watched the movie '300'. He reckons if the wretched greeks can do it the Aussies should be able with one hand tied behind their back.
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Reply #3 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 6:57pm

Svengali wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 5:58pm:

Tony Abbott's just watched the movie '300'. He reckons if the wretched greeks can do it the Aussies should be able with one hand tied behind their back.

Last time I saw that movie, 300 were wiped out.

But.....as I have said a zillion times before.....we have no place in Arabia. That is for the Arabs and they have been having shite fights over it for a gazillion years.

We can have our little piss on some grains of the Sahara sand, and nothing will change.

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Reply #4 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 8:14pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 6:57pm:

Svengali wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 5:58pm:

Tony Abbott's just watched the movie '300'. He reckons if the wretched greeks can do it the Aussies should be able with one hand tied behind their back.

Last time I saw that movie, 300 were wiped out.

But.....as I have said a zillion times before.....we have no place in Arabia. That is for the Arabs and they have been having shite fights over it for a gazillion years.

We can have our little piss on some grains of the Sahara sand, and nothing will change.

I disagree with aussie in the most part as the west, maybe not much Australia has an interest due to oil.

Also remembering the lessons of the past, if you allow a terrorist to own their own country they have the resources to cause greater chaos in the world and even threaten world peace. Appeasement Hitler did not stop his intent. So we need to react to contain what could be a very big problem in the future. Remember these guys want to take to whole world into their domain and convert everyone to their style of Islam and all to follow their laws forcing the world back into the middle ages.

It is an ideology that must be stopped. It is in all our interests for it to be stopped before it gets too big to handle. Imagine such a regime with atomic bombs and a modern military capability with sleeper cells in every country.

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Reply #6 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 8:26pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 6:57pm:

But.....as I have said a zillion times before.....we have no place in Arabia. That is for the Arabs and they have been having shite fights over it for a gazillion years.

If we left it to the arabs to sort out the whole middle east would be an ISIS caliphate by this time next week.

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Reply #7 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 8:45pm

In 2003 a huge majority of the world understood and they told Bush, Blair and Howard; "Don't go to war in Iraq, its a big mistake. We will be bogged down there for decades, and we will create a breeding ground for fanatics and terrorism, the likes of which we have never seen before". But Bush, Blair and Howard wanted their war and fabricated a pretext for war (just as Hitler used to do - check your history, he used the same kind of tricks). They lied about the existence of WMD and now, over a decade later what a mess. Muslim fanatics are more unified all over the world from Yemen, to Indonesia to Nigeria to Europe, spreading there terrorism and terrorists attacks at will.

I say

MAKE THE WAR CRIMINALS PAY. BUSH, BLAIR AND HOWARD AND THEIR STRING PULLERS WHO PUT THEM UP TO IT. FOR WE ARE ALL PAYING THE PRICE OF THEIR LIES ABOUT WMD

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Reply #8 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 9:06pm

red baron wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 5:46pm:

You see this is exactly how the script went in Vietnam, sending in "non combatant advisors" Only it didn't turn out that way.

Now we see an increase with a further 300 "advisors" sent to Iraq.

Tell you what Tony, do our troops a favour, bring them all back. Our presence in Iraq won't make an ounce of difference to the major sh.tfight that is taking place in the middle east.

Don't make the same mistake that we made in Vietnam. I previously held a different point of view but looking at the international stage and what ISIS is doing, I can only see this turning out badly for our boys.

When the guy who cooks your dinner or cuts your hair, is likely to be the one who cuts your throat in the middle of the night, then you as a solider are between a rock and a hard place.

Let's get them the hell out of there!!!!!!

First the advisors, then some air to give them support on the ground, then some protection for the air assets, then a major commitment of ground troops when that proves insufficient, then the adoption of an aggressive policy of patrolling etc to create a defence in depth and protect the larger perimeter... and so it goes...

Ends up in multi-division sweeps and pitched battles when the locals can't control their own fight....

Cordon it all off, declare it a free fire zone to start on xxth Veeblezwep, and then bomb it flat....

Always amazed me that Uncle Sam would send troops into them hills to find the NVA so the bombers could flatten the valley they were in... why not flatten it first and send in the troops to pick up the pieces? Why recon to pinpoint them when you're going to flatten the joint anyway?

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Reply #9 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 9:17pm

red baron wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 5:46pm:

You see this is exactly how the script went in Vietnam, sending in "non combatant advisors" Only it didn't turn out that way.

Now we see an increase with a further 300 "advisors" sent to Iraq.

Tell you what Tony, do our troops a favour, bring them all back. Our presence in Iraq won't make an ounce of difference to the major sh.tfight that is taking place in the middle east.

Don't make the same mistake that we made in Vietnam. I previously held a different point of view but looking at the international stage and what ISIS is doing, I can only see this turning out badly for our boys.

When the guy who cooks your dinner or cuts your hair, is likely to be the one who cuts your throat in the middle of the night, then you as a solider are between a rock and a hard place.

Except you won't be sleeping with that man and he won't be able to infiltrate your FOB in the middle of the night because rest of the unit helping to guard it and you from harm... Roll Eyes

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Let's get them the hell out of there!!!!!!

Yes. I agree. Their job is to defend Australia and Iraq is no where near us.

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Iraq - Australia's new Vietnam? Reply #10 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 9:27pm Get 'em over there before the whole ANZAC 100th birthday thing and it'll be a media bonanza on the big day. I bet you the media are getting flown over with the troops - with the tax payer picking up the tab.
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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: Iraq - Australia's new Vietnam? Reply #11 - Apr 14^th, 2015 at 9:35pm The glorious freedom loving Iraqis have asked for Australias help in order to keep the fascists at bay and the Australian left have been left wondering why on Earth would you want to keep fascists at bay?, whats wrong with fascists?
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Reply #12 - Apr 15^th, 2015 at 7:07am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2015 at 8:45pm:

In 2003 a huge majority of the world understood and they told Bush, Blair and Howard; "Don't go to war in Iraq, its a big mistake. We will be bogged down there for decades, and we will create a breeding ground for fanatics and terrorism, the likes of which we have never seen before". But Bush, Blair and Howard wanted their war and fabricated a pretext for war (just as Hitler used to do - check your history, he used the same kind of tricks). They lied about the existence of WMD and now, over a decade later what a mess. Muslim fanatics are more unified all over the world from Yemen, to Indonesia to Nigeria to Europe, spreading there terrorism and terrorists attacks at will.

I say

MAKE THE WAR CRIMINALS PAY. BUSH, BLAIR AND HOWARD AND THEIR STRING PULLERS WHO PUT THEM UP TO IT. FOR WE ARE ALL PAYING THE PRICE OF THEIR LIES ABOUT WMD

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WHAT HE SAID!!!!

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106326 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Iraq - Australia's new Vietnam? Reply #13 - Apr 15^th, 2015 at 7:24am Saddam knew what to do - there was law and order when he was there.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Iraq - Australia's new Vietnam? Reply #14 - Apr 15^th, 2015 at 8:18am Bobby. wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 7:24am: Saddam knew what to do - there was law and order when he was there. Yes...his laws, and his orders.... Just like our Ochlocracy here today.
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