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Reply #30 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 6:13pm

Yes Aquascoot, indeed the desert is not the jungle. However, the problem is, that foreign forces use local labour at their military bases. This has gone on since the day dot. It is one way of "giving the locals a feel good halo of being included in the alliance".

And therein lies the conundrum, like 'two face' out of Batman. Who is the good guy and who is the possible suicide bomber on the inside of the fence line.

You only have to be wrong once and a suicide bomber could easily take out half the Australian contingent if it got near the the mess hall at the right time.

You're right, there is the big difference between Nam and Iraq. In Nam, people generally weren't blowing themselves to kingdom come.

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Reply #31 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 6:21pm

red baron wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 6:13pm:

Yes Aquascoot, indeed the desert is not the jungle. However, the problem is, that foreign forces use local labour at their military bases. This has gone on since the day dot. It is one way of "giving the locals a feel good halo of being included in the alliance".

And therein lies the conundrum, like 'two face' out of Batman. Who is the good guy and who is the possible suicide bomber on the inside of the fence line.

You only have to be wrong once and a suicide bomber could easily take out half the Australian contingent if it got near the the mess hall at the right time.

You're right, there is the big difference between Nam and Iraq. In Nam, people generally weren't blowing themselves to kingdom come.

That's total BS. Local labor is used because its cheap and its there.

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Reply #32 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 6:38pm

Mr R. Baron.....I reckon this is a fair question to ask of ye. It does not involve the release of personal information of the kind the Rules refer to (and even if it did...you are free to say what you like about yourself) as it will not lead to an ID of you.....but.......you have posted that you have a history as a Police Officer and more recently that you are a Vietnam Veteran. Lots of blokes make false claims about their past, especially of a military kind.

I went nowhere near Vietnam.......thanks to a mere happenstance that I was born on the 2nd of the deadly month, and not the 1st or the 3rd.....and if I had.....I'd have been a Vietnam Veteran, or a Vietnam statistic.

You sound a tad fake to me. I can post 'Vietnam'......you seem unable to do so....preferring the so called in house ~ 'Nam.' That 'jars' or grates with me.......'try hard' like.

Care to tell us exactly what was your involvement in Vietnam?

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Reply #33 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:04pm

Aussie I did two tours of duty at Ubon Thailand with the R.A.A.F. where a third of the air strikes on Vietnam were launched. I was in airfield defence and we regularly did patrols of the Thai Laos border to stop Pathet Laos forces from infiltrating across the border and launching mortar strikes against the airfield. My mustering was Airfield Defence Guards.

The Aussies had a squadron of sabre jets which the Yanks called Mickey Mouse airlines. The Yanks used Phantom fighter bombers to take 500 pound bombs to Vietnam.

I have active service medals for my duty there.

Following six years with the R.A.A.F. I left to work with Ansett Airlines for 7 years until, unfortunately a whole bunch of us got the axe thanks to a crooked union which was in bed with management.

I ended up at the NSW Police Force where I went on to serve for 18 years until a Hurt On Duty injury put paid to my career. Hope that answers your questions.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Iraq - Australia's new Vietnam? Reply #34 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:11pm Svengali, of course labor is cheap and plentiful; but never doubt that there is a political angle to employing them. What I'm getting at knucklehead is that the local labor in Iraq is likely to blow themselves up and a whole heap of Government and allies with them.
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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: Iraq - Australia's new Vietnam? Reply #35 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:25pm red baron wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:11pm: What I'm getting at knucklehead is that the local labor in Iraq is likely to blow themselves up and a whole heap of Government and allies with them. They're explosive claims Red.
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Reply #36 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:30pm

red baron wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

Aussie I did two tours of duty at Ubon Thailand with the R.A.A.F. where a third of the air strikes on Vietnam were launched. I was in airfield defence and we regularly did patrols of the Thai Laos border to stop Pathet Laos forces from infiltrating across the border and launching mortar strikes against the airfield. My mustering was Airfield Defence Guards.

The Aussies had a squadron of sabre jets which the Yanks called Mickey Mouse airlines. The Yanks used Phantom fighter bombers to take 500 pound bombs to Vietnam.

I have active service medals for my duty there.

Following six years with the R.A.A.F. I left to work with Ansett Airlines for 7 years until, unfortunately a whole bunch of us got the axe thanks to a crooked union which was in bed with management.

I ended up at the NSW Police Force where I went on to serve for 18 years until a Hurt On Duty injury put paid to my career. Hope that answers your questions.

Sounds legit to me, even though Ubon seems a long way from Vietnam. Hardly makes you any more 'expert' on Vietnam than I am, however.

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Reply #37 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:56pm

red baron wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 6:13pm:

Yes Aquascoot, indeed the desert is not the jungle. However, the problem is, that foreign forces use local labour at their military bases. This has gone on since the day dot. It is one way of "giving the locals a feel good halo of being included in the alliance".

And therein lies the conundrum, like 'two face' out of Batman. Who is the good guy and who is the possible suicide bomber on the inside of the fence line.

You only have to be wrong once and a suicide bomber could easily take out half the Australian contingent if it got near the the mess hall at the right time.

You're right, there is the big difference between Nam and Iraq. In Nam, people generally weren't blowing themselves to kingdom come.

Except the ADF does not employ locals for any position other than interpreter, RB. Nowadays, neither do the yanks. They bring in subcontractors from other nations to cook their food, cut their hair, etc. Roll Eyes

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Reply #38 - Apr 16^th, 2015 at 8:05pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:30pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

Aussie I did two tours of duty at Ubon Thailand with the R.A.A.F. where a third of the air strikes on Vietnam were launched. I was in airfield defence and we regularly did patrols of the Thai Laos border to stop Pathet Laos forces from infiltrating across the border and launching mortar strikes against the airfield. My mustering was Airfield Defence Guards.

The Aussies had a squadron of sabre jets which the Yanks called Mickey Mouse airlines. The Yanks used Phantom fighter bombers to take 500 pound bombs to Vietnam.

I have active service medals for my duty there.

Following six years with the R.A.A.F. I left to work with Ansett Airlines for 7 years until, unfortunately a whole bunch of us got the axe thanks to a crooked union which was in bed with management.

I ended up at the NSW Police Force where I went on to serve for 18 years until a Hurt On Duty injury put paid to my career. Hope that answers your questions.

Sounds legit to me, even though Ubon seems a long way from Vietnam. Hardly makes you any more 'expert' on Vietnam than I am, however.

Egg on your face eh......gobshite!

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Iraq - Australia's new Vietnam? Reply #39 - Apr 17^th, 2015 at 8:29am Aussie I have a right to my spin on Vietnam as does every poster who visits this site. My opinion may not be right but it is my opinion and I'm entitled to it and to air it.
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Reply #40 - May 9^th, 2015 at 11:20am

Aussie wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

We could always declare terra nullis. No sign of intelligent life. But that would be racist.

We could also keep our nose out of the business of other people in their Country, especially Arabia where they have been beating the shite out of each other for centuries.

Aussie have you ever noticed how one country's problem can quickly become another country's problems?

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Reply #41 - May 9^th, 2015 at 11:41am

Aussie wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:30pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

Aussie I did two tours of duty at Ubon Thailand with the R.A.A.F. where a third of the air strikes on Vietnam were launched. I was in airfield defence and we regularly did patrols of the Thai Laos border to stop Pathet Laos forces from infiltrating across the border and launching mortar strikes against the airfield. My mustering was Airfield Defence Guards.

The Aussies had a squadron of sabre jets which the Yanks called Mickey Mouse airlines. The Yanks used Phantom fighter bombers to take 500 pound bombs to Vietnam.

I have active service medals for my duty there.

Following six years with the R.A.A.F. I left to work with Ansett Airlines for 7 years until, unfortunately a whole bunch of us got the axe thanks to a crooked union which was in bed with management.

I ended up at the NSW Police Force where I went on to serve for 18 years until a Hurt On Duty injury put paid to my career. Hope that answers your questions.

Sounds legit to me, even though Ubon seems a long way from Vietnam. Hardly makes you any more 'expert' on Vietnam than I am, however.

Yeah it does.

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Reply #43 - May 10^th, 2015 at 1:14pm

Noneofyourbusiness wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 11:41am:

Aussie wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:30pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

Aussie I did two tours of duty at Ubon Thailand with the R.A.A.F. where a third of the air strikes on Vietnam were launched. I was in airfield defence and we regularly did patrols of the Thai Laos border to stop Pathet Laos forces from infiltrating across the border and launching mortar strikes against the airfield. My mustering was Airfield Defence Guards.

The Aussies had a squadron of sabre jets which the Yanks called Mickey Mouse airlines. The Yanks used Phantom fighter bombers to take 500 pound bombs to Vietnam.

I have active service medals for my duty there.

Following six years with the R.A.A.F. I left to work with Ansett Airlines for 7 years until, unfortunately a whole bunch of us got the axe thanks to a crooked union which was in bed with management.

I ended up at the NSW Police Force where I went on to serve for 18 years until a Hurt On Duty injury put paid to my career. Hope that answers your questions.

Sounds legit to me, even though Ubon seems a long way from Vietnam. Hardly makes you any more 'expert' on Vietnam than I am, however.

Yeah it does.

Except, as noted by Baron himself, he never served in Vietnam... Roll Eyes

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Reply #44 - May 10^th, 2015 at 1:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Noneofyourbusiness wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 11:41am:

Aussie wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:30pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 16^th, 2015 at 7:04pm:

Aussie I did two tours of duty at Ubon Thailand with the R.A.A.F. where a third of the air strikes on Vietnam were launched. I was in airfield defence and we regularly did patrols of the Thai Laos border to stop Pathet Laos forces from infiltrating across the border and launching mortar strikes against the airfield. My mustering was Airfield Defence Guards.

The Aussies had a squadron of sabre jets which the Yanks called Mickey Mouse airlines. The Yanks used Phantom fighter bombers to take 500 pound bombs to Vietnam.

I have active service medals for my duty there.

Following six years with the R.A.A.F. I left to work with Ansett Airlines for 7 years until, unfortunately a whole bunch of us got the axe thanks to a crooked union which was in bed with management.

I ended up at the NSW Police Force where I went on to serve for 18 years until a Hurt On Duty injury put paid to my career. Hope that answers your questions.

Sounds legit to me, even though Ubon seems a long way from Vietnam. Hardly makes you any more 'expert' on Vietnam than I am, however.

Yeah it does.

Except, as noted by Baron himself, he never served in Vietnam... Roll Eyes

Im pretty he never stated that and I was referring to the post made by Aussie which has nothing to do with what you stated.

It isn't that hard to keep track of this, even for a dumb grunt, pogo or what ever you did to fill in time in the green machine.

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