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Re: Could this be the next coffee shop shooter?
Reply #30 - Apr 17^th, 2015 at 7:56am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 7:53am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 7:35am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 6:52am:

The trouble with letting him out is that a guy like that needs 24 hour surveillance and that costs a stack of money. Cheaper to keep him in prison pending psychiatric evaluation. Why was he given bail? It looks like we're going down the same track as the Sydney cafe bomber whatshisname.

He should be arrested & held in custody as it's
too dangerous to let this animal loose.

It's in the government's best interests to let him loose and hope that he causes problems.

A frightened population is an easy-to-control population (and they're more likely to vote for the incumbent government).

You have a point.

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Reply #31 - Apr 17^th, 2015 at 8:01am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 7:56am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 7:53am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 7:35am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 6:52am:

The trouble with letting him out is that a guy like that needs 24 hour surveillance and that costs a stack of money. Cheaper to keep him in prison pending psychiatric evaluation. Why was he given bail? It looks like we're going down the same track as the Sydney cafe bomber whatshisname.

He should be arrested & held in custody as it's
too dangerous to let this animal loose.

It's in the government's best interests to let him loose and hope that he causes problems.

A frightened population is an easy-to-control population (and they're more likely to vote for the incumbent government).

You have a point.

No terrorists = no fear = no need for governments to protect us.

A little chaos goes a long way in keeping governments in power.

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Re: Could this be the next coffee shop shooter?
Reply #32 - Apr 17^th, 2015 at 8:40am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 8:01am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 7:56am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 7:53am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 7:35am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 6:52am:

The trouble with letting him out is that a guy like that needs 24 hour surveillance and that costs a stack of money. Cheaper to keep him in prison pending psychiatric evaluation. Why was he given bail? It looks like we're going down the same track as the Sydney cafe bomber whatshisname.

He should be arrested & held in custody as it's
too dangerous to let this animal loose.

It's in the government's best interests to let him loose and hope that he causes problems.

A frightened population is an easy-to-control population (and they're more likely to vote for the incumbent government).

You have a point.

No terrorists = no fear = no need for governments to protect us.

A little chaos goes a long way in keeping governments in power.

Of course, that piece fits perfectly in the 'war on terrorism' jigsaw puzzle.....and they all cried.............oh no! another terrorist attack.

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Could this be the next coffee shop shooter? Reply #34 - Apr 17^th, 2015 at 8:54am Where were you last night aquascoot? Police are investigating a fire that caused major damage to a mosque in Toowoomba overnight http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/police-are-investigating-a-fire-th...
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Re: Could this be the next coffee shop shooter?
Reply #35 - Apr 17^th, 2015 at 8:56am

aquascoot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

So we have a fairly nasty character.
We have a magistrate let him loose.

And Greg and Pansi think that Tony Abbott has masterminded the whole scenario.

How so, with the separation of state and judiciary?
Thoughts?? Cheesy

I remember the separation of state and judiciary during the Newman years.

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Reply #36 - Apr 17^th, 2015 at 9:06am

aquascoot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

So we have a fairly nasty character.
We have a magistrate let him loose.

And Greg and Pansi think that Tony Abbott has masterminded the whole scenario.

How so, with the separation of state and judiciary?
Thoughts??

I hope you aren't as naive as that post suggests.

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Reply #37 - Apr 17^th, 2015 at 9:13am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 9:06am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

So we have a fairly nasty character.
We have a magistrate let him loose.

And Greg and Pansi think that Tony Abbott has masterminded the whole scenario.

How so, with the separation of state and judiciary?
Thoughts??

I hope you aren't as naive as that post suggests.

so greg, let me get this straight.
you stated that this man was released on bail BECAUSE it suits the government to have terrorist acts and fear in the community.

1 you seem to be admitting he may perform a terrorist act
2 you seem to be implying that the government (federal) influenced a state magistrate in Labor Victoria.

I find the second claim quite odd.

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Reply #38 - Apr 17^th, 2015 at 9:17am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 8:54am:

Where were you last night aquascoot?

Police are investigating a fire that caused major damage to a mosque in Toowoomba overnight

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/police-are-investigating-a-fire-th...

I like muslims and have been to a mosque.
I like Christians and sometimes go to the local uniting church and catch up (more a social outing).
I prefer people who have some philosophy or creed they live their lives by to the "rudderless ships " of aetheism and socialism.
But I do think Christians and Muslims need to have zero tolerance of the various
bad eggs in their ranks and remove them forth with.
it really is a case of one bad apple ruining the whole barrel.

there would be no problems with Christianity and islam in the eyes of the public if the leaders iof the mosques or the churches came out and said
"this bloke is not allowed in our mosque and if he turns up we will have security throw him out"

win/win

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Reply #39 - Apr 17^th, 2015 at 9:24am

aquascoot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 9:13am:

so greg, let me get this straight.
you stated that this man was released on bail BECAUSE it suits the government to have terrorist acts and fear in the community.

No.

I said: "It's in the government's best interests to let him loose and hope that he causes problems."

I didn't say that's what has actually happened (but if it is, I'm not surprised in the least).

Moreover, it most certainly does suit the government to have terrorist acts and fear in the community.

This is 'Governing The Masses 101' - A frightened population is an easy-to-control population.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 9:13am:

1 you seem to be admitting he may perform a terrorist act
2 you seem to be implying that the government (federal) influenced a state magistrate in Labor Victoria.

1. I'm not sure why you use the term "admitting". He seems to be an absolute nut-job who is perfectly capable of performing an act of terror in the community.

2. As, I said before, I didn't say that was what has actually happened. However, the prospect of federal governments having an influence on state magistrates is perfectly plausible.

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I find the second claim quite odd.

Perhaps you are as naive as your post suggests.

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Re: Could this be the next coffee shop shooter?
Reply #40 - Apr 17^th, 2015 at 9:26am

aquascoot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 9:17am:

"this bloke is not allowed in our mosque and if he turns up we will have security throw him out"

win/win

He is exactly the type of person they are looking for, they would probably put him in charge and when he go's on a coffee shop rampage they will say gee we are really surprised he did that, he is such a nice man Cheesy

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Re: Could this be the next coffee shop shooter?
Reply #41 - Apr 17^th, 2015 at 9:58am

aquascoot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

So we have a fairly nasty character.
We have a magistrate let him loose.

And Greg and Pansi think that Tony Abbott has masterminded the whole scenario.

How so, with the separation of state and judiciary?
Thoughts?? Cheesy

After all your bitching about Gillard Thomo and Slipper, now you want separation of duties ?

Grin

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Reply #42 - Apr 17^th, 2015 at 10:42am

John Smith wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 9:58am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

So we have a fairly nasty character.
We have a magistrate let him loose.

And Greg and Pansi think that Tony Abbott has masterminded the whole scenario.

How so, with the separation of state and judiciary?
Thoughts?? Cheesy

After all your bitching about Gillard Thomo and Slipper, now you want separation of duties ?

Grin

now now John,
greg said that the government "let him loose" to help their polling figures.
where did anyone from the right ever say that Gillard
"got the magistrate to let thommo off"

we of the right may not like thommo , but I never recall anyone saying that the federal government had a lever to pull to affect what a magistrate would do.

yet greg and pansi say that this guy was released because Abbott wanted him released.

chalk and cheese and a bizarre idea. Wink

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Reply #43 - Apr 17^th, 2015 at 10:45am

aquascoot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 10:42am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 9:58am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

So we have a fairly nasty character.
We have a magistrate let him loose.

And Greg and Pansi think that Tony Abbott has masterminded the whole scenario.

How so, with the separation of state and judiciary?
Thoughts?? Cheesy

After all your bitching about Gillard Thomo and Slipper, now you want separation of duties ?

Grin

now now John,
greg said that the government "let him loose" to help their polling figures.

Incorrect.

I said:

"It's in the government's best interests to let him loose and hope that he causes problems.

"A frightened population is an easy-to-control population (and they're more likely to vote for the incumbent government)."

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Reply #44 - Apr 17^th, 2015 at 11:28am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 10:45am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 10:42am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 9:58am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 17^th, 2015 at 8:49am:

So we have a fairly nasty character.
We have a magistrate let him loose.

And Greg and Pansi think that Tony Abbott has masterminded the whole scenario.

How so, with the separation of state and judiciary?
Thoughts?? Cheesy

After all your bitching about Gillard Thomo and Slipper, now you want separation of duties ?

Grin

now now John,
greg said that the government "let him loose" to help their polling figures.

Incorrect.

I said:

"It's in the government's best interests to let him loose and hope that he causes problems.

"A frightened population is an easy-to-control population (and they're more likely to vote for the incumbent government)."

Governments best interest to let him loose.

if I understand verbs and adverbs, this relates the verb (doing word) "let loose" to the noun "government"

you are saying the government "let him loose"
this is clearly incorrect.
white flag accepted Wink

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