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ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Apr 20^th, 2015 at 9:14am

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Islamic State: “Our expansion will be perpetual…Those who do not convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will be killed”

Dec 22, 2014 01:33 pm | Robert Spencer

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/islamic-state-our-expansion-will-be-perpetual-...

A rampant ISIS, in Syria and Iraq, is cruel and intolerant.

And ISIS in Syria and Iraq, simply re-confirms all of the [previously dismissed] warnings, about what an unrestrained [and 'unveiled'] ISLAM looks like.

ISIS today, in Syria and Iraq, is yet another dire warning, to the 'ISLAM is evil and dangerous' sceptics in the West.

"Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth, who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden in the day of the LORD'S anger."

Zephaniah 2:3

ISIS has said....

"Those who do not convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will be killed"

QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS;

Where do those, who are supporters of ISIS, get such ideas ?

Where do even many moslems living in Australia! [who declare themselves to be, supporters of ISIS], get such ideas ?

Why do those who support ISIS think that such ideas/ideals [e.g. forced/'intimidated' conversion to ISLAM, and ISLAMIC supremacism through political violence] are legitimate ISLAMIC tenets ?

Where on earth does ISIS get such an idea from !!

Because i thought that true ISLAM taught moslems to be peaceful and tolerant, towards all other people ??? Cheesy

Because that, is what imam's within Australia are teaching/'broadcasting'.

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Google;
"Peace summarises everything in Islam"

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THE TRUTH;

Whenever, wherever, 'the moslem' is weak, the local moslem community will preach [to anyone who will listen] that ISLAM is a faith which is peaceful and tolerant, towards all other people.

But that narrative is a deceit.

That narrative is an artifice.

But if this is in fact true [that moslems have a malevolent intent towards us], then why is it, that no Western expert on ISLAM [or 'terrorism'], or that no mainstream Western [based] journalist [who 'engages' with members of the moslem community], seems to have the power to uncover and expose the artifice of the moslem narrative ?

Maybe it is just that this moslem artifice is 'un-knowable' or, too well hidden ???    LOL

Maybe it is unreasonable to expect Western journalists and Western experts on ISLAM, to uncover arcane and 'hidden knowledge' about ISLAM ???       LOL

It does seem very apparent to many, many 'common' people today, that ISLAM does promote a violent supremacist philosophy, and, that ISLAM 'religiously' sanctions the use of political violence to advance its ambitions in the world.

But how could Western experts on ISLAM, be expected to uncover that arcane and 'hidden knowledge' about ISLAM's nefarious methods and intentions ???       LOL

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THE KORAN....

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

ISLAMIC LAW....

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

THE SUNNAH OF MOHAMMED.....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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AT THE HEART OF ISLAM, IS AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE & AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE, AGAINST THOSE WHO REJECT ISLAM....

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Reply #1 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 9:16am

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Islamic State releases list of “Qur’anic punishments”

Dec 18, 2014 06:53 pm | Robert Spencer

How refreshing it would be if some of the people, Muslim or non-Muslim, who insist that the Islamic State is not Islamic would show how this penal code is contrary to Islam and Sharia.

But they will not do so, because they can’t.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/islamic-state-releases-list-of-quranic-punishm...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Reply #2 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 9:17am

"....they’re being killed because they’re infidels."

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Nigeria: Islamic jihadists massacre civilians, say they’re being killed because they’re infidels
Dec 22, 2014 02:01 pm | Robert Spencer

“We have made sure the floor of this hall is turned red with blood, and this is how it is going to be in all future attacks and arrests of infidels.

From now, killing, slaughtering, destruction and bombing will be our religious duty anywhere we invade.”

Our “religious duty,” he says.

What religion are these ...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/nigeria-islamic-jihadists-massacre-civilians-s...

Where do those supporters of ISIS/Boko Haram, get such ideas ?

i.e.
The idea that it is lawful for a moslem to kill those who are not moslems - because they are not moslems ?

Hmmmmm ?

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like Reply #3 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 12:31pm So, Y., is the Lord's Resistance Army what an unrestrained Christian looks like?
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Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Reply #4 - Apr 20^th, 2015 at 8:16pm

Hot Breath,

Response to your post #3;

In a like manner, i could ask;

Do you believe that the 'Democratic People's Republic of Korea' [i.e. North Korea ], is a good or typical example of a democratic state ?

And, is it your argument, that the name that the North Korean regime uses, to describe itself, reflects a true circumstance ?

Hot Breath,

And just because a moslem imam, here in Australia, declares;

"Peace summarises everything in Islam"

Those words, imo, do not reflect a true and accurate circumstance.

Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimin...

EXAMPLE - of moslems promoting ISLAM 'peace' in Australia.....

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IMAGE....

"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

Mr Yunus is a moslem.

Mr Yunus is a follower of ISLAM.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Reply #5 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 11:21am

Yadda wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

Hot Breath,

Response to your post #3;

In a like manner, i could ask;

Do you believe that the 'Democratic People's Republic of Korea' [i.e. North Korea ], is a good or typical example of a democratic state ?

And, is it your argument, that the name that the North Korean regime uses, to describe itself, reflects a true circumstance ?

Hot Breath,

And just because a moslem imam, here in Australia, declares;

"Peace summarises everything in Islam"

Those words, imo, do not reflect a true and accurate circumstance.

I note you don't attribute a name to this Imam. Why, Y? Grin

Do you disagree with the statement by a famous Christian that "Christianity is to war like petrol is to fire"? Grin

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Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Reply #6 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 9:35am

|dev|null wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 11:21am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 20^th, 2015 at 8:16pm:

Hot Breath,

Response to your post #3;

In a like manner, i could ask;

Do you believe that the 'Democratic People's Republic of Korea' [i.e. North Korea ], is a good or typical example of a democratic state ?

And, is it your argument, that the name that the North Korean regime uses, to describe itself, reflects a true circumstance ?

Hot Breath,

And just because a moslem imam, here in Australia, declares;

"Peace summarises everything in Islam"

Those words, imo, do not reflect a true and accurate circumstance.

I note you don't attribute a name to this Imam.

Why, Y?

Hot Breath,

Read my post again.

Mr Yunus.

There is even a link to an ABC news report, quoting Mr Yunus.

'Shoulda gone to specsavers'.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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ozzyoi Full Member Offline Posts: 111 moved to safer places Gender:	Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like Reply #8 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 3:44pm Quote: Islamic State: “Our expansion will be perpetual…Those who do not convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will be killed” Dec 22, 2014 01:33 pm \| Robert Spencer Get Fuxed !
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Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Reply #9 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm

ozzyoi wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 3:44pm:

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Islamic State: “Our expansion will be perpetual…Those who do not convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will be killed”

Dec 22, 2014 01:33 pm | Robert Spencer

Get Fuxed !

Sounds like the west.

Wants to expand into every country and convert there governments to a democracy or face death.

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Reply #10 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 7:02pm

wally1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

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Islamic State: “Our expansion will be perpetual…Those who do not convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will be killed”

Dec 22, 2014 01:33 pm | Robert Spencer

Sounds like the west.

Wants to expand into every country and convert there governments to a democracy or face death.

No.

Sounds like mainstream ISLAM.

ISLAM wants to expand into every country, and convert their populations to be 'moslem', or face their cruel death, at the hands of 'rightly guided' moslems.

as per this imam [boldly promoting ISLAM freely, while resident in the USA!!!]....

Quote:

“......if they don’t [convert to Islam,] their life and property are halal [free for the taking] for the Muslims.”

Yasir Qadhi (aka Abu Ammaar Yasir Kazi) - is a college professor in the USA,
Yasir Qadhi is also an imam (the word means a teacher of Islam)

quote above, is cited here....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1425385069/15#15

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Yadda said....
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ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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Reply #11 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 7:17pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 7:02pm:

wally1 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:45pm:

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Islamic State: “Our expansion will be perpetual…Those who do not convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will be killed”

Dec 22, 2014 01:33 pm | Robert Spencer

Sounds like the west.

Wants to expand into every country and convert there governments to a democracy or face death.

No.

Sounds like mainstream ISLAM.

ISLAM wants to expand into every country, and convert their populations to be 'moslem', or face their cruel death, at the hands of 'rightly guided' moslems.

Sounds like these people Y.

Grin

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Reply #12 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 7:57pm

Hot Breath,

Moslems do this ------------ >

IMAGE....

wtc-9-11.jpg

And moslem nations GET this ------------ >

IMAGE....

a war on 'terror'

And moslems are surprised !!!!!! ?

Yep.

Of course they are. Cheesy

Coz imo, ISLAM 'creates' a mental pathology [a 'sickness'] in the psyche of those human beings who choose to embrace it.

ISLAM = = the abandonment of good [moral] principles, which leads to the corruption of the human psyche.

Quote:

A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.

Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Reply #14 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 11:46pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 7:57pm:

Hot Breath,

Moslems do this ------------ >

IMAGE....
http://oedipuslex.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/wtc-9-11.jpg

wtc-9-11.jpg

And moslem nations GET this ------------ >

IMAGE....
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45989000/jpg/_45989020_jex_397052_de27-1.j...

a war on 'terror'

And moslems are surprised !!!!!! ?

Yep.

Of course they are. Cheesy

Coz imo, ISLAM 'creates' a mental pathology [a 'sickness'] in the psyche of those human beings who choose to embrace it.

ISLAM = = the abandonment of good [moral] principles, which leads to the corruption of the human psyche.

Quote:

A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.

Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0

Good point, Y. The globetrotting Saudi Islamist Osama organises September 11, so Uncle takes out the secular Ba’athist Saddam.

That’ll fix them.

How’s the War On Terror going in Iraq these days? We don’t seem to be having much luck in Saudi Arabia.

Maybe we should export Freeeedom to ISIS.

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