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Reply #15 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 8:19am

Their 'crime', was rejecting ISLAM

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Abandonment of Christian Victims of Genocide Today
April 23, 2015

.....The horrific killings include, for example, four Iraqi Christian children, who were beheaded for refusing to say that they would follow the Prophet Muhammad and for telling their ISIS captors that they will always “love” and “follow” Jesus.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/71398

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
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I cannot understand how all this can be allowed to continue and go on, day in and day out, without the attention of the mainstream media!
Why is it being so obviously suppressed and not broadcast?
Why are the churches not speaking out?
The entire Western Christian world appears to have a death wish - frozen in their tracks like a rabbit in car headlights!
I would dearly like to see somebody, somewhere say - or even do, something about it!

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Islamic State: “Our expansion will be perpetual…Those who do not convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will be killed”

Dec 22, 2014 01:33 pm | Robert Spencer

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/islamic-state-our-expansion-will-be-perpetual-...

Rampant and unrestrained ISIS, in Syria and Iraq, show us just how cruel and intolerant unrestrained mainstream ISLAM and mainstream moslems [who live among us] are, and would be, towards you and your children.....

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1425385069/7#7
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1425385069/12#12

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

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KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #16 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 11:02am

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Yadda, I think you missed the messages from Doublya, Cheney, Wolfowitz and the other Neo-Cons about "exporting Democracy to the all Middle East." Some Muslims may have provided the reason for it but the American and British governments tried to do it... Roll Eyes

you talk as if there was no discernible difference between representative democracy, Baathist dictatorship or Islamic theocratic terrorism, as if it was all relative and as if each had its place where it is right and proper but not elsewhere.

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Reply #17 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 12:26pm

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 11:02am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Yadda, I think you missed the messages from Doublya, Cheney, Wolfowitz and the other Neo-Cons about "exporting Democracy to the all Middle East." Some Muslims may have provided the reason for it but the American and British governments tried to do it... Roll Eyes

you talk as if there was no discernible difference between representative democracy, Baathist dictatorship or Islamic theocratic terrorism, as if it was all relative and as if each had its place where it is right and proper but not elsewhere.

So, Soren, I'll take you as a neo-Con supporter who believes it is possible to export Democracy on the tips of your soldiers' bayonets, shall I? Roll Eyes

The reality of Iraq proved that was impossible, if you annoyed enough Iraqis who were all looking for their chance to replace Saddam Hussein. Roll Eyes

I doubt anybody except you or Yadda would have missed the point I was making - neo-Cons were saying exactly that, Soren. Nothing more. Roll Eyes

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like Reply #18 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give savage tribal Muslims a chance for a civilised way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face an resume murdering each other -and will blame you, for a change. White man' burden.
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Reply #19 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:53pm

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give savage tribal Muslims a chance for a civilised way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face an resume murdering each other -and will blame you, for a change.

Fixed your statement for you, Soren. Glad to be of service to you. Wink

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Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Reply #20 - Apr 26^th, 2015 at 8:37pm

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give savage tribal Muslims a chance for a civilised way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face an resume murdering each other -and will blame you, for a change.

White man' burden.

Exactly. Not even happy with a jolly old carpetbombing. These people are such victims, no?

I blame Islam.

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Reply #21 - Apr 27^th, 2015 at 2:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give savage tribal Muslims a chance for a civilised way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face an resume murdering each other -and will blame you, for a change.

Fixed your statement for you, Soren. Glad to be of service to you. Wink

What?? Parliamentary elections and negotiated political compromise are not civilised and better than civil war?

And they they have resumed murdering each other, so no need for you to edit out the facts.

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Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Reply #22 - Apr 27^th, 2015 at 11:03pm

Soren wrote on Apr 27^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:53pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give savage tribal Muslims a chance for a civilised way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face an resume murdering each other -and will blame you, for a change.

Fixed your statement for you, Soren. Glad to be of service to you. Wink

What?? Parliamentary elections and negotiated political compromise are not civilised and better than civil war?

And they they have resumed murdering each other, so no need for you to edit out the facts.

Facts? Really? Where, Soren? I saw your Islamophobic opinion interfering with an otherwise acceptable statement and removed it for you. You got a problem with me doing that? Roll Eyes

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Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Reply #23 - May 8^th, 2015 at 9:30pm

Any criticism or negative opinion of Islam is reflexively stamped as Islamophobic by the likes of you, Brain. You are unthinking and stupid and the first glimpse of a reasoned opposition to Islam sends you into a spin of paroxysm. Islam can be criticised, it is supremely irrational and so any rational pronouncements about it will be automatically critical of it.

The hope for humanity s that it is people like you who stand up for something so anti-human, oppressive and dangerous. You could not win an argument against a dim 12 year old. There is hope for us all as long as you are the intellectual cutting edge of the Islamophobia-mongers.

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Reply #24 - May 8^th, 2015 at 9:33pm

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give savage tribal Muslims a chance for a civilised way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face an resume murdering each other -and will blame you, for a change.

White man' burden.

Oh for crying out loud. We gave them a what now?

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #25 - May 8^th, 2015 at 9:34pm

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:33pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give savage tribal Muslims a chance for a civilised way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face an resume murdering each other -and will blame you, for a change.

White man' burden.

Oh for crying out loud. We gave them a what now?

A chance at being civilised.

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Reply #26 - May 8^th, 2015 at 9:44pm

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:33pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give savage tribal Muslims a chance for a civilised way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face an resume murdering each other -and will blame you, for a change.

White man' burden.

Oh for crying out loud. We gave them a what now?

A chance at being civilised.

No we bloody well didn't. We invaded them for no good reason, blew them to holy hell, pissed off a whole heap of people and left .... AFTER installing Hussein in the first damn place.

Your knowledge of Middle East dynamics is sadly lacking Soren.

Read some Fisk.

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Reply #27 - May 8^th, 2015 at 11:38pm

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

Any criticism or negative opinion of Islam is reflexively stamped as Islamophobic by the likes of you, Brain. You are unthinking and stupid and the first glimpse of a reasoned opposition to Islam sends you into a spin of paroxysm. Islam can be criticised, it is supremely irrational and so any rational pronouncements about it will be automatically critical of it.

Of course it can be criticised, Soren. Problem is, you can't. You're proving yourself incapable of creating a coherent argument against the Islamic religion without resorting to your Islamophobic hatred. You've been provided with examples of your own arguments, with the Islamophobia removed but you can't accept them. This all rather proves that you are an Islamophobe! Roll Eyes

I'll treat your normal ad hominem stuff with the contempt it deserves, Soren. Roll Eyes

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Reply #28 - May 9^th, 2015 at 2:36pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

Any criticism or negative opinion of Islam is reflexively stamped as Islamophobic by the likes of you, Brain. You are unthinking and stupid and the first glimpse of a reasoned opposition to Islam sends you into a spin of paroxysm. Islam can be criticised, it is supremely irrational and so any rational pronouncements about it will be automatically critical of it.

Of course it can be criticised, Soren. Problem is, you can't. You're proving yourself incapable of creating a coherent argument against the Islamic religion without resorting to your Islamophobic hatred. You've been provided with examples of your own arguments, with the Islamophobia removed but you can't accept them. This all rather proves that you are an Islamophobe! Roll Eyes

I'll treat your normal ad hominem stuff with the contempt it deserves, Soren. Roll Eyes

Well, show me some examples of what you regard as coherent, reasonable criticism of Islam, what you would accept as non-Islamophobic criticism of Islam.

You insist that it exists but you do not want to provides examples of it.

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