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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like Reply #30 - May 9^th, 2015 at 4:38pm John_Taverner wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 3:32pm: Soren, I had an uncle Neil who was a real cantankerous bastard. I imagine you as a Cantankerous Uncle Neil Type in real life. Thank you. I can't be bothered imagining you.
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Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Reply #31 - May 9^th, 2015 at 4:40pm

Soren wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

Any criticism or negative opinion of Islam is reflexively stamped as Islamophobic by the likes of you, Brain. You are unthinking and stupid and the first glimpse of a reasoned opposition to Islam sends you into a spin of paroxysm. Islam can be criticised, it is supremely irrational and so any rational pronouncements about it will be automatically critical of it.

Of course it can be criticised, Soren. Problem is, you can't. You're proving yourself incapable of creating a coherent argument against the Islamic religion without resorting to your Islamophobic hatred. You've been provided with examples of your own arguments, with the Islamophobia removed but you can't accept them. This all rather proves that you are an Islamophobe! Roll Eyes

I'll treat your normal ad hominem stuff with the contempt it deserves, Soren. Roll Eyes

Well, show me some examples of what you regard as coherent, reasonable criticism of Islam, what you would accept as non-Islamophobic criticism of Islam.

Forgotten this, Soren?

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give savage tribal Muslims a chance for a civilised way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face an resume murdering each other -and will blame you, for a change.

See, all the Islamophobia removed creating exactly what you claim to be desiring. Yet, you've been attacking me for doing it. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

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You insist that it exists but you do not want to provides examples of it.

You really are being very silly, Soren. Roll Eyes

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Reply #32 - May 9^th, 2015 at 5:58pm

Mauritania - Oh look. All is not well, in yet another ISLAMIC 'paradise'

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Mauritania sentences man to death for apostasy
Dec 25, 2014 07:52 am | Robert Spencer

Muhammad said: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57).

The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law according to all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence.

This is still the position of all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite.

Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent Muslim cleric in the world, has stated:

“The Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them.

The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-`ashriyyah, Al-Ja`fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/mauritania-sentences-man-to-death-for-apostasy

How can this be ?

Surely ISIS is not in Mauritania too ?

Ah that's right.....

No.

Places like Mauritania are being governed by those 'moderate', tolerant moslems - who condemn ISIS and Boko Haram. Tongue

Mauritania is a nation located in Africa, about as far west as you can go, and still be in Africa.

I wonder how much international aid goes to a ISLAMIST nation like Mauritania ?

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how much international aid, Mauritania

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Reply #33 - May 9^th, 2015 at 6:11pm

Why would anyone believe that ISIS has any significant 'representation' or support, within a secular society like ours, when we know, that our society is populated only by a community of moderate, tolerant moslems [....and, of course, we filthy infidels] ???

Brits, in Britain retreat, in the face of ISIS cadres, WITHIN BRITAIN

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UK: Palace sentries retreat behind gates for fear of jihad attacks
Dec 28, 2014 03:05 pm | Robert Spencer

As always, British authorities choose retreat rather than confrontation of the jihad threat.

There is no possible way that this can end well.

“Retreating of the Queen’s Guard: End of an era as palace sentries fall back in face of mounting fears of new ‘lone wolf’ terrorist attack,” by Abul Taher and Mark Nicol, Daily Mail, ...

Security chiefs have taken the dramatic step of withdrawing Royal Guards from their high-profile posts outside palaces amid mounting fears of ‘lone wolf’ terrorist attacks.

Elite soldiers of the Queen’s Guard have pulled back from public positions at many landmarks in response to possible threats from Islamic extremists.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/uk-palace-sentries-retreat-behind-gates-for-fe...

QUESTION;
Why is this happening, in a nation like Britain ??????

ANSWER;
We allow these monsters to live among us.

They are called moslems.

Moslems follow a 'faith' which praises homicidal maniacs.

So what do you think that most of them are going to aspire to be ???

DUH!

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Reply #34 - May 9^th, 2015 at 6:29pm

Yadda paraphrases....

"Don't fight against our brothers, the Taliban.

If you do, you are the enemies of Allah, and of us."

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Pakistan: Muslim cleric says fight against Taliban is “un-Islamic”
Dec 24, 2014 09:43 am | Robert Spencer

Now wait a minute.

In the West, both Muslim and non-Muslim leaders constantly tell us that groups like the Taliban are un-Islamic, and that anyone who dares to suspect otherwise is a racist, bigoted Islamophobe.

Now Abdul Aziz is saying the exact opposite.

Is he ignorant of the contents of the books he is waving around in the photo?

Has he somehow missed, in his lifelong study of Islam, the Qur’an’s vaunted teachings of peace and tolerance?

It would be refreshing if one of the Muslim or non-Muslim spokesmen in the West were to take up Abdul Aziz’s challenge of a debate.

None will do so, however......

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/pakistan-muslim-cleric-says-fight-against-tali...

QUESTION;
Why would anyone believe that ISIS [or the Taliban! or Al Nusra, or Boko Haram, etc, etc, etc] has any significant 'representation' or support, within moslem majority nations, when we know that those moslem nations are populated by moderate moslems ???

Yadda says;
A moderate moslem, is a mythical creature.

Every moslem is either an active [Jihadi] or a 'dormant' ['moderate'] moslem.

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Reply #35 - May 10^th, 2015 at 3:55pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Soren wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 11:38pm:

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

Any criticism or negative opinion of Islam is reflexively stamped as Islamophobic by the likes of you, Brain. You are unthinking and stupid and the first glimpse of a reasoned opposition to Islam sends you into a spin of paroxysm. Islam can be criticised, it is supremely irrational and so any rational pronouncements about it will be automatically critical of it.

Of course it can be criticised, Soren. Problem is, you can't. You're proving yourself incapable of creating a coherent argument against the Islamic religion without resorting to your Islamophobic hatred. You've been provided with examples of your own arguments, with the Islamophobia removed but you can't accept them. This all rather proves that you are an Islamophobe! Roll Eyes

I'll treat your normal ad hominem stuff with the contempt it deserves, Soren. Roll Eyes

Well, show me some examples of what you regard as coherent, reasonable criticism of Islam, what you would accept as non-Islamophobic criticism of Islam.

Forgotten this, Soren?

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give savage tribal Muslims a chance for a civilised way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face an resume murdering each other -and will blame you, for a change.

See, all the Islamophobia removed creating exactly what you claim to be desiring. Yet, you've been attacking me for doing it. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

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You insist that it exists but you do not want to provides examples of it.

You really are being very silly, Soren. Roll Eyes

You are talking idiotic nonsense again, Brain, along the lines of "not every nazi was in the Waffen SS so one must't be critical of National Socialism".

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Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Reply #36 - May 10^th, 2015 at 4:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Soren wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1429485279/27#27 date=1431092325]

[quote author=soren2 link=1429485279/18#18 date=1430036191]Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give savage tribal Muslims a chance for a civilised way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face an resume murdering each other -and will blame you, for a change.

See, all the Islamophobia removed creating exactly what you claim to be desiring. Yet, you've been attacking me for doing it. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

Because you deleted the pertinent bits.

We gave them a chance to resolve their differences in a civilised way - each making a bit of a compromise - not just their own ways (to which is what they have now resorted, viz, murdering each other in the name of tribal, religious allegiances)).

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Reply #37 - May 10^th, 2015 at 6:10pm

Soren wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Soren wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1429485279/27#27 date=1431092325]

[quote author=soren2 link=1429485279/18#18 date=1430036191]Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give savage tribal Muslims a chance for a civilised way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face an resume murdering each other -and will blame you, for a change.

See, all the Islamophobia removed creating exactly what you claim to be desiring. Yet, you've been attacking me for doing it. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

Because you deleted the pertinent bits.

Ah, so you believe your Islamophobia is pertinent? Roll Eyes

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We gave them a chance to resolve their differences in a civilised way - each making a bit of a compromise - not just their own ways (to which is what they have now resorted, viz, murdering each other in the name of tribal, religious allegiances)).

Couldn't agree more, Soren.

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Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like
Reply #38 - May 10^th, 2015 at 6:55pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 6:10pm:

Soren wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Soren wrote on May 9^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1429485279/27#27 date=1431092325]

[quote author=soren2 link=1429485279/18#18 date=1430036191]Don't worry, we have all learned the lesson - you give savage tribal Muslims a chance for a civilised way to resolve their disputes and they will kick sand in your face an resume murdering each other -and will blame you, for a change.

See, all the Islamophobia removed creating exactly what you claim to be desiring. Yet, you've been attacking me for doing it. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

Because you deleted the pertinent bits.

Ah, so you believe your Islamophobia is pertinent? Roll Eyes

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We gave them a chance to resolve their differences in a civilised way - each making a bit of a compromise - not just their own ways (to which is what they have now resorted, viz, murdering each other in the name of tribal, religious allegiances)).

Couldn't agree more, Soren.

Yet you deleted it. That's how constrained and suffocated by PC you are.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42151	Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like Reply #39 - May 10^th, 2015 at 7:06pm Why did you ignore my question, Soren? Afraid to admit your Islamophobic?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like Reply #40 - May 10^th, 2015 at 8:38pm mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 9:44pm: Read some Fisk. What next?? "read some Edward Said"??
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QUESTION;
Why would anyone believe that ISIS [or the Taliban! or Al Nusra, or Boko Haram, etc, etc, etc] has any significant 'representation' or support, within moslem majority nations, when we know that those moslem nations are populated almost exclusively, by moderate, tolerant moslems ??? Tongue

Yadda says;
In any topical sense, a moderate moslem, is a [truly] mythical creature.

By definition, every person who self-describes as a moslem, is a creature [enthralled] of ISLAM.

And every moslem, is either a currently active [Jihadi], or, he is a currently 'dormant' ['moderate'] moslem [....waiting for Allah to provide him with an 'opportunity' to prove his bona-fides to his community].

Mujahid = = one who struggles for the sake of Allah and Islam. Islamic guerrilla fighter. denoting a person who fights a jihad.

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If a moslem is 'a follower of ISLAM'
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QUESTION;
What, is ISLAM ?

QUESTION;
What defines ISLAM ?

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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Yadda says;

ISLAM is, a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs.

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Yadda said....
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All moslems are moslems.

And these monsters [moslems] live among us.

What is a 'moslem' ?

By definition, 'the moslem' is a person who 'subscribes' to the tenets and laws of ISLAM.

n.b.
If 'the moslem' did not agree promise to adhere to the tenets and laws of ISLAM, then 'the moslem' would not be a moslem.

All moslems subscribe to the tenets and laws and the 'ideals', which are promoted by ISLAM and by Allah's prophet.

That, is the essential definition of a 'moslem'.

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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Reply #42 - May 11^th, 2015 at 11:36am

Yadda wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

QUESTION;
Why would anyone believe that ISIS [or the Taliban! or Al Nusra, or Boko Haram, etc, etc, etc] has any significant 'representation' or support, within moslem majority nations, when we know that those moslem nations are populated almost exclusively, by moderate, tolerant moslems ??? Tongue

Yadda says;
In any topical sense, a moderate moslem, is a mythical creature.

But Gandalf exists, Yadda! Therefore, the concept of a "moderate Muslim" is not a "mythical creature"... Grin

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Reply #43 - May 11^th, 2015 at 2:59pm

|dev|null wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 11:36am:

Yadda wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

Yadda says;
In any topical sense, a moderate moslem, is a mythical creature.

But Gandalf exists, Yadda!

Therefore, the concept of a "moderate Muslim" is not a "mythical creature"...

Yes, gandalf is a moderate moslem.

But, gandalf does not exist.

'gandalf', is a moslem, being a moslem - in a non-moslem jurisdiction.

Every moslem living within Australia, is likely to claim that they are 'moderate', and, claim that they are tolerant of the belief [or lack of belief] of others.

But 'gandalf', is an artifice.

gandalf does not exist.

e.g.

These could be the words of 'our' gandalf ------------ >

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"The jihad I speak of is not one of violence,"...

"I don't believe in suicide bombing. I don't believe in violence against others," he said.

"We denounce that. This is not Islamic law and it is not moral."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/01/fiery-australian-cleric-claims-jihad-remarks-w...

Those are the genuine words of A MODERATE MOSLEM, someone called Sheik Feiz Mohammed.

Sheik Feiz Mohammed, THE MODERATE MOSLEM !

Right ???

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THOSE WORDS ABOVE, WERE SPOKEN BY THIS GUY, -------- >
...AND WERE SPOKEN PURELY AS A SOP, TO THE MEDIA,
...AFTER HIS PREVIOUS WORDS OF ANIMOSITY TOWARDS ALL NON-MOSLEMS, WAS EXPOSED ------------ >

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Use children as troops, says cleric
January 18, 2007
SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah.
Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas.
.........Sheik Feiz says in the video.
"We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."
An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque.
......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims).

"Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."

......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest.
He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php

Google;

jihad is the pinnacle of islam

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379120057/291#291
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gandalf is the type of moslem who promotes only peace, and does not follow the violent parts of his faith. Tongue

Yadda said....
Quote:

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible;

"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.

And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"

Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.

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Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like Reply #44 - May 11^th, 2015 at 3:03pm Boring, Yadda. You admit Gandalf exists and then manufacture a paranoid delusion to prove he doesn't exist in your mind. Sorry, that won't work here. Your proofs refer to different people to Gandalf. Quote some of Gandalf's stuff that proves he isn't moderate! Otherwise, run back under your rock!
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