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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like Reply #45 - May 11^th, 2015 at 3:14pm Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 7:06pm: Why did you ignore my question, Soren? Afraid to admit your Islamophobic? Advocating for a civilised resolution of differences is now Islamophobic?? You are still outa you mind, Brain.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42151	Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like Reply #46 - May 11^th, 2015 at 9:08pm No I am not. Lets not go into your usual obfuscation routine, Soren. Are you going to answer the question about your Islamophobia?
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Reply #47 - May 12^th, 2015 at 8:44pm

As I explained elsewhere many times, your premise is as stupid as can be expected from you Brain.

There is no such thing as 'Islamophobia. Only complete non-thinkers still peddle the notion as if meant anything because they cannot think of any other way to counter criticisms of a political ideology.

It is an empty non-idea. So it fits you and characterises you perfectly.

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Reply #48 - May 13^th, 2015 at 9:35am

Warriors of ISLAM

Joyous Islamic State jihadis,
....but too frightened to reveal their faces to their mums [or to the security service], in the UK

Quote:

Islamic State jihadi says he felt joyous when killing people because “I was killing infidels”
Dec 30, 2014 02:39 pm | Robert Spencer

“Anghel said the militants go through a very intensive brainwashing process of Shariah, the Islamic law, and they come out on the other side truly believing that God wants them to kill infidels.”

Now where could they have gotten such a crazy, Islamophobic idea?

Could it be from Qur’an passages like these?......

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/islamic-state-jihadi-says-he-felt-joyous-when-...

see also.....
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SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems...
...and an example of moslems justifying this slaughter, as a moslem war against 'infidels'.

SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1333935983/0#0

n.b.
Many of the persons the infidels that ISIS cadres are so 'joyously' killing in Syria and Iraq, are not Christians or atheists.

The ISIS cadres in Syria and Iraq, are killing many, many persons who claim to be fellow moslems !!

Jihad = = 'virtuously' murdering those who reject ISLAM

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'Aussie' moslem, Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq.

A moslem, in his preferred 'environment'.

Doing 'good works', in 'the cause of Allah'.

A MOSLEM HOMICIDAL MANIAC - 'AT HOME ON THE RANGE' WHERE THE LAWS OF ALLAH PREVAIL

That is the nature of the beast!

That is the nature of ISLAM, ----- > it is ISLAMIC tenets and doctrine, which transform human beings, into homicidal maniacs!

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THE LESSON FROM THESE CIRCUMSTANCES [above], FOR EVERY THINKING PERSON;

To a devout moslem [i.e. to the radicalised Jihadi moslem], everyone who does not believe exactly as he believes, is an infidel.

And, ISLAM's tenets and religious doctrine, teaches the moslem, that every infidel [i.e. everyone who does not believe exactly as he believes] is an enemy of Allah, and that [therefore] every infidel deserves to die !

Yadda says;

ISLAM is, a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs.

Homicidal maniacs, who then 'righteously' murder others, on the basis of their 'righteous' intolerance of the beliefs of others.

And this is a religious bigotry and intolerance which is inculcated into the psyche of every moslem [from childhood], by mainstream ISLAMIC tenets and doctrine.

QUESTION;
Here within a nation like Australia,

who is it, that is radicalising moslem children

[to become active Jihadis to become active terrorists, here in Australia!!] ???????????????????????

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ANSWER;
It is apparent to anyone with eyes to see, that it is the moslem community [itself] here in Australia!!!!, that is intentionally radicalising [young] moslems - to hate Australia, and to hate Australians [because they are infidels].

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #49 - May 13^th, 2015 at 9:37am

Evidence in support of what i stated in post #48

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DAMNING EVIDENCE #1, that many 'Aussie' moslems are 'radicalised' moslems, and that they are seeking the destruction of our Australian system of government and the destruction of our Australian way of life ------- >

Quote:

" "You're never too young to be a soldier of Kalifah."

...and [these moslem children] promise to die fighting to end Democracy in Australia"

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Watch a group of moslem children, being coached by moslem adults, to hate Australia, and Australians,
......HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA. !!!!

And of course this cultural coaching of moslem children is all happening behind closed doors, and out of the public eye.

Muslims brainwash children in Australia

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

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DAMNING EVIDENCE #2, that many 'Aussie' moslems are 'radicalised' moslems, and that they are seeking the destruction of our Australian system of government and the destruction of our Australian way of life ------- >

Quote:

"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...
...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.
"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...

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DAMNING EVIDENCE #3, that many 'Aussie' moslems are 'radicalised' moslems, and that they are seeking the destruction of our Australian system of government and the destruction of our Australian way of life ------- >

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Use children as troops, says cleric
January 18, 2007
SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah.
Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas.
.........Sheik Feiz says in the video.
"We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."
An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque.
......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims).

"Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."

......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest.
He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php

Google;

jihad is the pinnacle of islam

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DAMNING EVIDENCE #4, that many 'Aussie' moslems are 'radicalised' moslems, and that they are seeking the destruction of our Australian system of government and the destruction of our Australian way of life ------- >

IMAGE...

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August 4, 2005
Australian Islamic leader defends jihad

"I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion.

It doesn't tolerate," he said.

"The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1430551.htm

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Yadda wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2015 at 6:25pm:

Moslems are not Australians.

By that, i mean that the allegiance of 'the moslem', is not to Australia.

The allegiance of 'the moslem', is to the nation of ISLAM [the ummah, the moslem community].

Moslems are moslems.

Yadda said....
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Every moslem, owes his allegiance to ISLAM, EXCLUSIVELY.

Moslems are not Australians!!!

Yes, many moslems are Australian citizens, 'in law'.

But, every moslem, is a moslem.

His allegiance [notwithstanding his lying denials], is to ISLAM, EXCLUSIVELY!!!!

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #50 - May 13^th, 2015 at 9:53am

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Iran raids house church on Christmas, arrests nine Christians
Dec 31, 2014 06:03 am | Robert Spencer

“In a message on Wednesday, December 25, on the occasion of Christmas, Mrs. Maryam Rajavi, President-elect of the Iranian Resistance, called the clerical regime masking itself by Islam as the most ruthless enemy of Christ and Mohammad…

They are henchmen that execute and torture people for their religious beliefs, especially for following the true message of Mohammad and Christ…”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/iran-raids-house-church-on-christmas-arrests-n...

In a moslem majority nation [no matter whether it be a Sunni or Shia regime], it is [often] impossible to show any public display of being a Christian [BECAUSE SUCH A DISPLAY, is construed by moslems as having proselytising aspect] [or of following any faith other than ISLAM], without some 'cost' being borne, by those who show themselves to be, not moslems.

Allah's religion itself, declares that all infidels [disbelievers] are the mortal enemies of Allah, and of Allah's religion.

In some instances, disbelievers within a moslem majority nation are tolerated, whenever a circumstance exists in which disbelievers serve some purpose, or 'utility', to local moslems.

But the lawful persecution of those [living within a Sharia jurisdiction] who are not moslems, is an article of faith.

But you would never know, or ever learn about that hostility, that moslems have, for those who are not moslems, by speaking to any local moslem or imam [a teacher of ISLAM], here in Australia;

"Peace summarises everything in Islam"
- Mr Yunus - Darwin's Islamic leader
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1428710611/30#30

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we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #51 - May 13^th, 2015 at 10:13am

QUESTION;
Is it possible for moslems and infidels to co-exist, and to live in a state of peace together ?

ANSWER;
OF COURSE IT IS!!!!!

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Islamic Republic of Iran General: Obama, EU leaders should convert to Islam for peace
Dec 29, 2014 05:40 pm | Robert Spencer

You might almost get the idea that Brigadier General Qolamhossein Qeib-parvar thinks that the conflict between Iran and the West has something to do with Islam.

But Barack Obama and so very many other authorities assure us that this is not the case — Brigadier General Qolamhossein Qeib-parvar must be wrong, no?

“Iranian General:......A general in Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), stipulated on Saturday, that President Barack Obama, as well as leaders of the European Union (EU) should convert to Islam in order for there to be peace between the United States and Iran to be possible.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/islamic-republic-of-iran-general-obama-eu-lead...

See, see!!!

If we infidels would just 'roll over', and have our tummies rubbed, and surrender to ISLAM, all would be well in the world.

Because;

"ISLAM is peace."

"Peace summarises everything in Islam"
- Mr Yunus - Darwin's Islamic leader
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1428710611/30#30
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimin...

Honest! Tongue

Google;

jihad is the pinnacle of islam

Quote:

Creed of the sword
Mark Durie
September 23, 2006
.....the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh, issued a statement on the official Saudi news service, defending Muslims' divine right to resort to violence:

"The spread of Islam has gone through several phases, secret and then public, in Mecca and Medina.

God then authorised the faithful to defend themselves and to fight against those fighting them, which amounts to a right legitimised by God.

This ... is quite reasonable, and God will not hate it."

Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice:

"He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims."

Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam.

.......At the beginning, in Mohammed's Meccan period, when he was weaker and his followers few, passages of the Koran encouraged peaceful relations and avoidance of conflict:

"Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." (16:125)

Later, after persecution and emigration to Medina in the first year of the Islamic calendar, authority was given to engage in warfare for defensive purposes only:

"Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for God does not love transgressors." (2:190)

As the Muslim community grew stronger and conflict with its neighbours did not abate, further revelations expanded the licence for waging war, until in Sura 9, regarded as one of the last chapters to be revealed, it is concluded that war against non-Muslims could be waged more or less at any time and in any place to extend the dominance of Islam.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like Reply #52 - May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm Y, who made you an authority on Islam? Did you go to a special Islamophobic school or something? I'm interested to find out where you got all your knowledge about Islam from...
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like Reply #53 - May 13^th, 2015 at 7:01pm \|dev\|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm: Y, who made you an authority on Islam? Who made you, the village idiot of Ozpolitics, an authority on defending Islam?
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58828 Here Gender:	Re: ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like Reply #54 - May 13^th, 2015 at 7:09pm ISIS, is what an unrestrained ISLAM looks like Q : ? No, it has existed for centuries in many other forms.
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Reply #55 - May 13^th, 2015 at 11:33pm

Soren wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 7:01pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Y, who made you an authority on Islam?

Who made you, the village idiot of Ozpolitics, an authority on defending Islam?

Who made you the expert on rejection, Soren?

Sometimes a question is just a question, as Karnal likes to phrase it... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #56 - May 13^th, 2015 at 11:46pm

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Y, who made you an authority on Islam?

Did you go to a special Islamophobic school or something?

I'm interested to find out where you got all your knowledge about Islam from... Grin

Don't ask him questions Hot Breath .. he doesn't like it. HE gets all evasive and asks you questions in return .. to deflect from the questions you ask him. Like he just did.

He's very unstable. It's the viking blood.

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #57 - May 14^th, 2015 at 11:59am

Brian Ross wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 11:33pm:

Soren wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 7:01pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Y, who made you an authority on Islam?

Who made you, the village idiot of Ozpolitics, an authority on defending Islam?

Who made you the expert on rejection, Soren?

Sometimes a question is just a question, as Karnal likes to phrase it... Roll Eyes

You do not need to be an expert on an ideology to reject it.

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Reply #58 - May 14^th, 2015 at 2:13pm

|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

Y, who made you an authority on Islam?

Did you go to a special Islamophobic school or something?

Hot_Breath,

I am not 'an authority on Islam'
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I am just a person who can read and write, and count to 10, and a person who knows which way is up.

And what is ISLAM about ???

It is all pretty basic stuff -------- >

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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|dev|null wrote on May 13^th, 2015 at 1:50pm:

I'm interested to find out where you got all your knowledge about Islam from...

No you are not.

You are simply a 'messenger shooter'.

You are a person who doesn't want to know anything, ...which would force you to confront your own [comfortable] worldview.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #59 - May 14^th, 2015 at 2:32pm

Never, ever, confront a moslem with truth which shames him, and which reveals him to be;

A FILTHY, STINKING, DECEITFUL MOSLEM!

[well, that, is what moslems WOULD prefer!!!!]

Quote:

Pakistani officials enraged over “Homeland” portrayal of their country as “ugly, ignorant, terror-plagued ‘hellhole'”
Dec 30, 2014 11:02 am | Robert Spencer

“‘Repeated insinuations that an intelligence agency of Pakistan is complicit in protecting the terrorists at the expense of innocent Pakistani civilians is not only absurd but also an insult to the ultimate sacrifices of the thousands of Pakistani security personnel in [i]the war against terrorism,’ a source said.”

If the shoe fits:

[Yadda; LINKS TO FURTHER INFO ON ALL OF THESE ITEMS, are supplied in the body of the article ----- > ]

Pakistan’s ISI spy service planned jihad terror attacks on US and Israeli consulates in India

India’s home minister: Pakistan’s ISI orchestrated Mumbai jihadist attacks

U.S. confronted Pakistan with evidence of ISI-Haqqani links before going public

U.S. says Pakistan’s ISI continues to aid Taliban and Haqqani network

Nothing new: Pakistan’s ISI “urges on” Taliban

Report: Pakistan’s ISI wants to double aid to Kashmir jihadists

Report says Osama in Pakistan under ISI protection

Architect for Pakistani spy service ISI designed bin Laden compound

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http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/pakistani-officials-enraged-over-homeland-port...

QUESTION;
Why would anyone believe that ISIS [or the Taliban! or Al Nusra, or Boko Haram, etc, etc, etc] has any significant 'representation' or support, within moslem majority nations, when we know that those moslem nations are populated by moderate, tolerant moslems ??? Cheesy

Yadda says;
In any topical sense, a moderate moslem, is a [truly] mythical creature.

By definition, every person who self-describes as a moslem, is a creature [enthralled] of ISLAM.

And every moslem, is either a currently active [Jihadi], or, he is a currently 'dormant' ['moderate'] moslem [....waiting for Allah to provide him with an 'opportunity' to prove his bona-fides to his community].

Mujahid = = one who struggles for the sake of Allah and Islam. Islamic guerrilla fighter. denoting a person who fights a jihad.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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