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Very_Vinnie

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Reply #30 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 6:44pm

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 10:34am:

"Australia's refugee policy is a national shame, the country's top union official has told a rally in Sydney.

About 2000 people attended the "welcome refugees" rally in inner Sydney on Sunday, demanding the closure of offshore detention centres on Manus Island and Nauru.

"Just think about those three small words – stop the boats – never before can I think of three small words that have left such a permanent and dreadful scar on our national psyche," Australian Council of Trade Unions president Ged Kearney said.

"They've caused so much pain, so much misery, so much indignity, so much injustice," Ms Kearney said.

"They have filled . . . this country with lies, with misinformation, and, I'm sad to say, with shame. Absolute shame."

ACTUALLY, she speaks for MOST Australians

In The Age/Nielsen poll, 22 per cent of ALP voters said asylum seekers should be sent to another country to be assessed, 62 per cent said they should be allowed to land in Australia and processed here and 13 per cent took the hardest option of wanting the boats sent back to sea.

Coalition voters were also unenthusiastic about the offshore solution with only 32 per cent supporting it, 44 per cent saying people should be processed here and 19 per cent wanting them sent back to sea.

Greens voters were overwhelmingly in favour of Australian processing (83 per cent), with just 10 per cent favouring an offshore solution and 6 per cent wanting boats turned around.

Women are more likely than men to support processing in Australia (58 to 51 per cent) as are younger voters, with almost two-thirds of those aged 18-24 in favour compared with less than half of those over 55. Capital city voters were more likely to support local processing than those in regional areas (58 to 48 per cent).

The Age, September 12, 2011
(yeah, it's an old poll - but it's the only one I could find)

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Reply #31 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:04pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 11:19am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 10:45am:

Sorry, I seem to have ommited the most pertinent part of your quote:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 10:34am:

Once again our streets will be flooded

What "streets" were "flooded" with asylum seekers that came in during the Rudd-Gillard tenure?

Clearly we must have a different understanding of the word "flooded".

Don't forget that stupid LNP member who blamed Sydney traffic on asylum seekers.

Bogarde is being deliberately inflammatory. In a nation of almost 24 million people, a few thousand asylum seekers will make no difference.

its not a few thousand it is FIFTY thousand, 43,000 of them which are still on welfare five years later.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: They WILL turn the clock back
Reply #32 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:08pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 4:31pm:

Very_Vinnie wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 3:02pm:

INCIDENTALLY, it was the Rudd Government's "New Guinea Solution" that was responsible for "stopping the boats" - as the figures exposed by the ABC Fact Check will prove, if you care to go and look

Not true.

There were 4 boat people in detention when Rudd dismantled the pacific solution,Howard closed Manus Island and many other detention centres because they were empty.
The Pacific solution under Howard cost $289 million.

It was labor and the greens who put the people smugglers back in business resulting in a billion plus dollar debacle before they were thrown out of government.

You have not responded to ONE POINT of my statement - choosing, instead, to go off on tangents

Google "abc fact check stop the boats png solution" and check out the data
(I cannot post URLs or images, at the moment)

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Fact Check consulted two researchers from the University of Queensland who specialise in data analysis, Dr Angela Higginson and Jason Ferris. They modelled the data and concluded that: "There has been a statistically significant reduction in the number of arrivals since the Coalition took Government... But it sits as part of a trend in reductions of arrivals that began with the last government. So in short, Mr Morrison is right, but he's not taking context into account."

"There is no sign that the election of the Abbott Coalition Government has had any impact on arrivals whatsoever"

Angela Higginson

The researchers say the comparison period of before and after Operation Sovereign Borders used by Mr Morrison misses the point, "because this trend began back in July and there is no sign that the election of the Abbott Coalition Government has had any impact on arrivals whatsoever".

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Reply #33 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:04pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 11:19am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 10:45am:

Sorry, I seem to have ommited the most pertinent part of your quote:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 10:34am:

Once again our streets will be flooded

What "streets" were "flooded" with asylum seekers that came in during the Rudd-Gillard tenure?

Clearly we must have a different understanding of the word "flooded".

Don't forget that stupid LNP member who blamed Sydney traffic on asylum seekers.

Bogarde is being deliberately inflammatory. In a nation of almost 24 million people, a few thousand asylum seekers will make no difference.

its not a few thousand it is FIFTY thousand, 43,000 of them which are still on welfare five years later.

Exactly. 50,000 of them over 6 years. Unbelievable.

What’s that as a percentage of the population, Longy? How does it compare to skilled migration figures and the birthrate?

You should have the numbers at your fingertips.

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Reply #34 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:21pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:04pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 11:19am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 10:45am:

Sorry, I seem to have ommited the most pertinent part of your quote:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 10:34am:

Once again our streets will be flooded

What "streets" were "flooded" with asylum seekers that came in during the Rudd-Gillard tenure?

Clearly we must have a different understanding of the word "flooded".

Don't forget that stupid LNP member who blamed Sydney traffic on asylum seekers.

Bogarde is being deliberately inflammatory. In a nation of almost 24 million people, a few thousand asylum seekers will make no difference.

its not a few thousand it is FIFTY thousand, 43,000 of them which are still on welfare five years later.

Exactly. 50,000 of them over 6 years. Unbelievable.

What’s that as a percentage of the population, Longy? How does it compare to skilled migration figures and the birthrate?

You should have the numbers at your fingertips.

so should you but any maths above Sesame Street seems to confuse you.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #35 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:36pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:04pm:

its not a few thousand it is FIFTY thousand, 43,000 of them which are still on welfare five years later.

THAT A Current Affair statistic was debunked by Media Watch days after it was aired
ACA included ANY payment made through Centrelink in the previous year - such as the baby bonus, aged and disability pensions, AusStudy, private health insurance rebate - and family tax benefit payments, among others

But I suspect you already KNEW that ?

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Reply #36 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:53pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:04pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 11:19am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 10:45am:

Sorry, I seem to have ommited the most pertinent part of your quote:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 10:34am:

Once again our streets will be flooded

What "streets" were "flooded" with asylum seekers that came in during the Rudd-Gillard tenure?

Clearly we must have a different understanding of the word "flooded".

Don't forget that stupid LNP member who blamed Sydney traffic on asylum seekers.

Bogarde is being deliberately inflammatory. In a nation of almost 24 million people, a few thousand asylum seekers will make no difference.

its not a few thousand it is FIFTY thousand, 43,000 of them which are still on welfare five years later.

Exactly. 50,000 of them over 6 years. Unbelievable.

What’s that as a percentage of the population, Longy? How does it compare to skilled migration figures and the birthrate?

You should have the numbers at your fingertips.

so should you but any maths above Sesame Street seems to confuse you.

Good point. I couldn’t possibly work out what 50,000 is as a percentage of 24 million, it’s just too many zeros.

Did they teach you long division, Longy?

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Reply #37 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:21pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:04pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 11:19am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 10:45am:

Sorry, I seem to have ommited the most pertinent part of your quote:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 10:34am:

Once again our streets will be flooded

What "streets" were "flooded" with asylum seekers that came in during the Rudd-Gillard tenure?

Clearly we must have a different understanding of the word "flooded".

Don't forget that stupid LNP member who blamed Sydney traffic on asylum seekers.

Bogarde is being deliberately inflammatory. In a nation of almost 24 million people, a few thousand asylum seekers will make no difference.

its not a few thousand it is FIFTY thousand, 43,000 of them which are still on welfare five years later.

Exactly. 50,000 of them over 6 years. Unbelievable.

What’s that as a percentage of the population, Longy? How does it compare to skilled migration figures and the birthrate?

You should have the numbers at your fingertips.

so should you but any maths above Sesame Street seems to confuse you.

Ah, yes - the old LongWeakInTheTopEnd reply - when all else never got off the ground, rely on personal attack.......

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139151 Gender:	Re: They WILL turn the clock back Reply #38 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:55pm Very_Vinnie wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 3:17pm: ... and by the way, what DO capitalists and other Liberal supporters drink ? I've never been able to find any information on this
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Happy Lucky Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1030 Gender:	Re: They WILL turn the clock back Reply #39 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:59pm If Labor get back in and start people smuggling back up who's going to pay for it? Aren't we in an economic downturn?
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Reply #40 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 8:15pm

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:59pm:

If Labor get back in and start people smuggling back up who's going to pay for it? Aren't we in an economic downturn?

Good point, Homo. By Longy’s calculation, 43,000 of them are on the dole. As you know, the dole’s about $400 a fortnight. That adds up to $8,600,000 a week, can you believe it? And this excludes the huge social burden it places on us as a society for having to look at these people walking around our streets and suburbs.

Can you imagine what it would be like if Labor gets in and more flood in? It’s unthinkable.

Actually, Longy should be able to work this out with his superior maths.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139151 Gender:	Re: They WILL turn the clock back Reply #41 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 8:19pm Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:59pm: If Labor get back in and start people smuggling back up who's going to pay for it? Aren't we in an economic downturn? The asylum seekers pay the people smugglers. Unless you were thinking of starting a charity
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Reply #42 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 8:22pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 8:15pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:59pm:

If Labor get back in and start people smuggling back up who's going to pay for it? Aren't we in an economic downturn?

Good point, Homo. By Longy’s calculation, 43,000 of them are on the dole. As you know, the dole’s about $400 a fortnight. That adds up to $8,600,000 a week, can you believe it? And this excludes the burden it has on us as a society for having to share our streets with these people.

Can you imagine what it would be like if Labor gets in and more flood in? It’s unthinkable.

Actually, Longy should be able to work this out with his maths.

There's other costs as well Ms Knowledge. Running camps, border protection costs (Navy) to Nauru (security people etc). Paying them the dole is just one part of it. I already share the streets with the people so it aint any sweat of my sack.

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Reply #43 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 8:24pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 8:19pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:59pm:

If Labor get back in and start people smuggling back up who's going to pay for it? Aren't we in an economic downturn?

The asylum seekers pay the people smugglers.

Unless you were thinking of starting a charity Undecided

I'll start up a charity to buy more of those nifty orange boats they send them back in.

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Reply #44 - Apr 21^st, 2015 at 8:27pm

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 8:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 8:19pm:

Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 21^st, 2015 at 7:59pm:

If Labor get back in and start people smuggling back up who's going to pay for it? Aren't we in an economic downturn?

The asylum seekers pay the people smugglers.

Unless you were thinking of starting a charity Undecided

I'll start up a charity to buy more of those nifty orange boats they send them back in.

What would you call it - 'Tinnies for Muzzies' ?

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