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Apr 21st, 2015 at 5:58pm
 
Boost minimum wage to create $3 billion stimulus, say unions
Financial Review.  April 21

Granting the union movement's claim for a minimum wage increase of $27 a week would generate a $3.1 billion economic stimulus as low-paid workers would spend their pay rise, the Australian Council of Trade Unions said on Monday.

In a submission to the Fair Work Commission rejecting employer arguments against its claim, ACTU said a $27 a week pay rise would give low-paid workers more money to spend.   Smiley

"While not likely to be large, a conservative estimate of the size of this stimulus, based on $27 per week for 18.8 per cent of the workforce … equates to a stimulus of $3.1 billion for the year," ACTU said.

"Such a stimulus will not prompt an immediate investment boom, but it will provide a much needed boost to the adjustment process already under way."

ACTU secretary Dave Oliver said calls by employer groups for an increase of as little as a $5.70 a week amounted to a real wage cut for low-paid workers when taking into account inflation.   Tongue   

"A $27 per week pay rise for our lowest-paid workers is essential if Australia is to avoid creating an underclass of working poor," he said. "Labour productivity is high, profits are up, CEO salaries are certainly going up – yet the share of the pie for workers is going down."   Sad 

Australian Industry (Ai) Group, which has advocated a $10.25 a week increase, told the commission that ACTU had understated the current weakness of the labour market. Ai Group backed the federal government's position that increases in minimum wages could reduce employment, particularly for young people.

"The ACTU's proposed minimum wage increase of $27 per week up to the base trade rate and 3.6 per cent for higher classifications is unrealistic and unsustainable, and would be unfair to those whose job prospects it would damage," it said.

"We note that it is significantly above the current inflation rate of 1.7 per cent. The interests of those in secure jobs should not be put ahead of those looking for work and those whose jobs could be lost or hours of work reduced if the wage increase awarded this year is not modest."

ACTU said it was not surprising that industry associations concentrated on the costs for an individual business of an increase in the minimum wage.

"This is the direct impact that their members see from such an increase and it is this direct impact that members expect their associations to frame their advocacy around," it said.

"Their failure to recognise that an increase in the minimum wage also implies more customers coming through the door with more money to spend is just a result of their limited view of the economy."   Sad
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Reply #1 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 6:09pm
 
... along with the share of the workers for the pie.......

Gives a better image to view employment as going down rather than unemployment as going up.... a much more realistic image....
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Reply #2 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 7:05pm
 
trade union economics...  where does that $3B come from?  companies, who will then raise their prices by about... $3B.

now if you want to talk about productivity... THAT is where money is actually generated.
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Reply #3 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 7:23pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21st, 2015 at 7:05pm:
trade union economics...  where does that $3B come from?  companies, who will then raise their prices by about... $3B.

now if you want to talk about productivity... THAT is where money is actually generated.


Company economics...  where does that $3B come from?  Workers, who will then raise their prices by about... $3B.

Now if you want to talk about productivity... THAT is where money is actually generated.

Like ever so many, you CHOOSE to view the whole issue from one point and aim at one side as the chicken and the egg all in one.  The ISSUE is rising costs generate upward pressure on wages, and it is a never-ending cycle with neither actually gaining anything.

What is needed is a focus on costs of living first and then on wages.

Stabilise costs of living and there will be no increases in wages - simple - but while ever we have stupid governments that raise costs of living at every turn with 'privatisation' and 'user pays', 'fines' for everything in sight, and so forth - there will be no solution.
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Reply #4 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 7:39pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 21st, 2015 at 7:23pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21st, 2015 at 7:05pm:
trade union economics...  where does that $3B come from?  companies, who will then raise their prices by about... $3B.

now if you want to talk about productivity... THAT is where money is actually generated.


Company economics...  where does that $3B come from?  Workers, who will then raise their prices by about... $3B.

Now if you want to talk about productivity... THAT is where money is actually generated.

Like ever so many, you CHOOSE to view the whole issue from one point and aim at one side as the chicken and the egg all in one.  The ISSUE is rising costs generate upward pressure on wages, and it is a never-ending cycle with neither actually gaining anything.

What is needed is a focus on costs of living first and then on wages.

Stabilise costs of living and there will be no increases in wages - simple - but while ever we have stupid governments that raise costs of living at every turn with 'privatisation' and 'user pays', 'fines' for everything in sight, and so forth - there will be no solution.


that is largely drivel and avoids economic fundamentals like the plague.  it is less a cost of 'living' than it is a cost of 'expectations and entitlement'  the later have out-stripped our income, not our cost of actual living.
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Reply #5 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 7:39pm
 
this is why one should work in ones own small business and create ones own pie.
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Reply #6 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 7:42pm
 
This is why one should join a union.      Smiley
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This is why one should join a union.      Smiley



you could start your own business crook.

sell coffee's for $4 a hit to people stuck in the line - up at those level crossings you dont like.
and $2 for a window wash.

turn a lose into a win/win
grow the pie , my friend
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Reply #8 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 7:46pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21st, 2015 at 7:39pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 21st, 2015 at 7:23pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 21st, 2015 at 7:05pm:
trade union economics...  where does that $3B come from?  companies, who will then raise their prices by about... $3B.

now if you want to talk about productivity... THAT is where money is actually generated.


Company economics...  where does that $3B come from?  Workers, who will then raise their prices by about... $3B.

Now if you want to talk about productivity... THAT is where money is actually generated.

Like ever so many, you CHOOSE to view the whole issue from one point and aim at one side as the chicken and the egg all in one.  The ISSUE is rising costs generate upward pressure on wages, and it is a never-ending cycle with neither actually gaining anything.

What is needed is a focus on costs of living first and then on wages.

Stabilise costs of living and there will be no increases in wages - simple - but while ever we have stupid governments that raise costs of living at every turn with 'privatisation' and 'user pays', 'fines' for everything in sight, and so forth - there will be no solution.


that is largely drivel and avoids economic fundamentals like the plague.  it is less a cost of 'living' than it is a cost of 'expectations and entitlement'  the later have out-stripped our income, not our cost of actual living.


Any chance of addressing the issues raised in a sensible way, Count Von Drivel?  Or will you content yourself with personal attack and hyperbole?

Got some figures to show how cost of living hasn't outstripped wages?  Electricity alone will fix your little red wagon... road tolls will add another nail... rising gas prices another....

Which goes up first?  Prices or wages?

Stay off the sauce, handsome....

And that's Entitlements™...... intellectual (word used advisedly) property of the primary cost raising party in this country today....
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Reply #9 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 7:57pm
 
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This is why one should join a union.      Smiley


Dont agree, in any dealings I have had with Australian unions - either direct or indirect - they havent been at all helpful or fought a line that is in the best interests of the workforce.

Today's unions are more about lining their own pocket than discussing real worker issues.
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Reply #10 - Apr 21st, 2015 at 8:12pm
 
You mean that they protect the workers.  Make sure they have fair wages, and things like penalty rates, for working weekends and public holidays.  Thank you unions.   Smiley         
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 21st, 2015 at 7:57pm:
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This is why one should join a union.      Smiley


Dont agree, in any dealings I have had with Australian unions - either direct or indirect - they havent been at all helpful or fought a line that is in the best interests of the workforce.

Today's unions are more about lining their own pocket than discussing real worker issues.


Well - they wouldn't be doing you out of a job, would they?  Though I suppose you bent over backwards to make work as attractive, easy, safe, and permanent as possible for the workforce you may employ....

Do you ever see how bizarre your comments are, Andrei?  No wonder I think you're a kid in a basement in South Australia.

What do you think Unions are for?  They are there to offer a different perspective to the one you want to force on people and to make it impossible for you to offer someone less than required by law.

Can't live with that - leave this country for good.

I take it you simply walk over workers in other countries.... well - Welcome to Earth!



Let me get this right - you want to come here, dictate to workers what they will accept by way of remuneration and conditions, cut their earnings down to the bone, then sell them back the product earned off their backs at the highest price in the world?

Take a hike......
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The Share Of The Pie For Workers Is Going Down

Let them eat cake ?
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Dnarever wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 8:43am:
The Share Of The Pie For Workers Is Going Down

Let them eat cake ?


....do you mean work a bit harder to boost productivity?

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Reply #14 - Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:40am
 
Swagman wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 11:25am:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 25th, 2015 at 8:43am:
The Share Of The Pie For Workers Is Going Down

Let them eat cake ?


....do you mean work a bit harder to boost productivity?



They have been doing that for decades while watching their share being eroded while the boss has been taking a bigger share for doing less.
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