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Reply #15 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:15am  
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 8:07am:
Not only is Milne wrong about the Abbott government "punishing refugees", not only is she wrong about the Abbott government's policy being "cruel", she is clearly using the dead for her own political gain in an attempt to score some very cheap points. .


You wouldn’t do that, Armchair. Your thoughts and prayers are with the families of the dead, not cheap points about domestic politics.
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Reply #16 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:17am  
Karnal wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:15am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 8:07am:
Not only is Milne wrong about the Abbott government "punishing refugees", not only is she wrong about the Abbott government's policy being "cruel", she is clearly using the dead for her own political gain in an attempt to score some very cheap points. .


You wouldn’t do that, Armchair. Your thoughts and prayers are with the families of the dead, not cheap political points.


You clearly would...
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Reply #17 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:19am  
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:17am:
Karnal wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:15am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 8:07am:
Not only is Milne wrong about the Abbott government "punishing refugees", not only is she wrong about the Abbott government's policy being "cruel", she is clearly using the dead for her own political gain in an attempt to score some very cheap points. .


You wouldn’t do that, Armchair. Your thoughts and prayers are with the families of the dead, not cheap political points.


You clearly would...


How’s that, Armchair?
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Reply #18 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:43am  
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:05am:
Still waiting for your post showing what you think is a "snide comment"...



You don't get comprehension do you.

You still sidestep the question about balance.

Keep in mind that this is not using the Bolt loop hole of claiming it is an opinion piece - this is supposedly a news story that just happens to be 70% comprised of the writers personal commentary in opposition to the actual story.
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Reply #19 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:17am  
Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:43am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:05am:
Still waiting for your post showing what you think is a "snide comment"...



You don't get comprehension do you.

You still sidestep the question about balance.

Keep in mind that this is not using the Bolt loop hole of claiming it is an opinion piece - this is supposedly a news story that just happens to be 70% comprised of the writers personal commentary in opposition to the actual story.


What's wrong with the article? Nothing stated is anything less than fact. Milne actually said what she is quoted as saying. What the Abbott government has been claimed to have done in the article, actually happened.
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Reply #20 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:19am  
Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 8:25am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 8:20am:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 8:18am:
A lot of typical snide telegraph comments added into the article, wonder what they have against balanced reporting.


How would you know what balanced reporting is? You're about as unbalanced as they come! BTW, show me one "snide comment".


Forget about me I didn't write the article.

Are you going to try to say that the text added to the story added any balance or was not biased in undermining the interview with their own political agenda or view ?


You know, you're like a bad smell that lingers and you just can't get rid of it. You and the other left/re tard wouldn't usually say a word in favour of any Greens policies or views on just about anything, but because they knock Abbott in this thread you suddenly become a Greens supporter/lover. And I thought that Greenswine was the only really thick bugger on this site, you have proved me wrong.

"Forget about me".......I doubt anybody gives you a second thought.
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Reply #21 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:29am  
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:17am:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:43am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:05am:
Still waiting for your post showing what you think is a "snide comment"...



You don't get comprehension do you.

You still sidestep the question about balance.

Keep in mind that this is not using the Bolt loop hole of claiming it is an opinion piece - this is supposedly a news story that just happens to be 70% comprised of the writers personal commentary in opposition to the actual story.


What's wrong with the article? Nothing stated is anything less than fact. Milne actually said what she is quoted as saying. What the Abbott government has been claimed to have done in the article, actually happened.


The comments about what Abbott has done is not relevant to the story and is only used to misleadingly mock the quote from Milne by relating it to a different area.

The report is meant to be on what Milne had said not about the writers opinion on a different matter, that would be an opinion piece, this is not presented as an opinion it is meant to be a report on the event not an opportunity to use her statement against her politically.

Her statement is both prefaced and followed by unrelated commentary undermining what she had said.

You are not going to tell me that you see no bias in the article are you ?
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Reply #22 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:36am  
Resolute wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:19am:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 8:25am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 8:20am:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 8:18am:
A lot of typical snide telegraph comments added into the article, wonder what they have against balanced reporting.


How would you know what balanced reporting is? You're about as unbalanced as they come! BTW, show me one "snide comment".


Forget about me I didn't write the article.

Are you going to try to say that the text added to the story added any balance or was not biased in undermining the interview with their own political agenda or view ?


You know, you're like a bad smell that lingers and you just can't get rid of it. You and the other left/re tard wouldn't usually say a word in favour of any Greens policies or views on just about anything, but because they knock Abbott in this thread you suddenly become a Greens supporter/lover. And I thought that Greenswine was the only really thick bugger on this site, you have proved me wrong.

"Forget about me".......I doubt anybody gives you a second thought.


Typical start with an insult and make another post with absolutely no relevant content.

I actually do not agree with what she has said in full. I have commented mainly in the low standard of reporting in the article.

Yes I will easily forget about you and I have no need to insult you at all as the work you do to yourself is overkill in that area already.
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Reply #23 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:39am  
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 8:07am:
Not only is Milne wrong about the Abbott government "punishing refugees", not only is she wrong about the Abbott government's policy being "cruel", she is clearly using the dead for her own political gain in an attempt to score some very cheap points. If we'd followed her lead, we could very well have seen that tragedy occur somewhere between Darwin and Bali by now and the 1,200 dead on Labor/Green's watch would likely be far higher than it is now. Milne should hang her head in shame.
Pot calling the kettle black armpit
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Reply #24 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:44am  
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:05am:
Still waiting for your post showing what you think is a "snide comment"...
I'd like you to answer this if possible. Its not to trap you out on anything its really just to get clear in my mind how divided we are in politics watching.  OK here's the question; Do you believe that the Daily Telegraph provides balanced news/political reporting? 
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Reply #25 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:53am  
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:05am:
Still waiting for your post showing what you think is a "snide comment"...


One example "Despite the Abbott government ending the people smuggling trade in Australian waters and therefore saving many lives, Milne said the ­European approach contrasted with Australia’s cruelty."
There is an editorial section in the newspaper where the newspaper expresses its view. That's why they invented the editorial so that readers were not fooled into thinking that the newspapers opinion was being pedalled as fact.  So when the newspaper editorialises in the middle of a news story repeatedly then what they are giving you is not news but propaganda.  If you opened a North Korean "newspaper" it would read very like the DT. 
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Reply #26 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 11:03am  
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:53am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:05am:
Still waiting for your post showing what you think is a "snide comment"...


One example "Despite the Abbott government ending the people smuggling trade in Australian waters and therefore saving many lives, Milne said the ­European approach contrasted with Australia’s cruelty."
There is an editorial section in the newspaper where the newspaper expresses its view. That's why they invented the editorial so that readers were not fooled into thinking that the newspapers opinion was being pedalled as fact.  So when the newspaper editorialises in the middle of a news story repeatedly then what they are giving you is not news but propaganda.  If you opened a North Korean "newspaper" it would read very like the DT. 


Can't argue with facts...
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Reply #27 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 11:13am  
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 8:07am:
Not only is Milne wrong about the Abbott government "punishing refugees", not only is she wrong about the Abbott government's policy being "cruel", she is clearly using the dead for her own political gain in an attempt to score some very cheap points. If we'd followed her lead, we could very well have seen that tragedy occur somewhere between Darwin and Bali by now and the 1,200 dead on Labor/Green's watch would likely be far higher than it is now. Milne should hang her head in shame.


No, actually she is 100% correct.

The ONLY ones who should be hanging their heads in shame are the architects
of this filthy policy and the xenophobic racist grubs who support it.

These views, and these policies, have NO place in this country.

If you want to blame those who are REALLY responsible for these drownings, you'd
be blaming the bastards they're fleeing from, not them, and not Labor.
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Reply #28 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 11:26am  
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 8:45am:
Please highlight the "snide comment(s)"


This is the most obvious one I found:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 8:45am:
Following the deaths of 200 asylum seekers in 2011, Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young, whose party backed Labor’s policy switch, said: “Tragedies happen, accidents happen.”


Apart from the fact that it is a completely unnecessary and meaningless quote to include in this particular story - it is quite obviously quoted out of context. Clearly implying that the Greens were happy with the asylum seeker arrangement at that time, and that they considered the deaths acceptable. That is a complete lie. The Greens policy at that time was for Australia to provide safe passage for these asylum seekers - which would have ended the deadly people-smuggling trade.
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Reply #29 - Apr 22nd, 2015 at 11:27am  
The Heartless Felon wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 11:03am:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:53am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 9:05am:
Still waiting for your post showing what you think is a "snide comment"...


One example "Despite the Abbott government ending the people smuggling trade in Australian waters and therefore saving many lives, Milne said the ­European approach contrasted with Australia’s cruelty."
There is an editorial section in the newspaper where the newspaper expresses its view. That's why they invented the editorial so that readers were not fooled into thinking that the newspapers opinion was being pedalled as fact.  So when the newspaper editorialises in the middle of a news story repeatedly then what they are giving you is not news but propaganda.  If you opened a North Korean "newspaper" it would read very like the DT. 


Can't argue with facts...
Unless of course they're not facts but just simply portrayed as fact in which case they should not be stated in a news report as if they were facts.
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