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The Heartless Felon

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Reply #30 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 11:57am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 11:27am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 11:03am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 9:05am:

Still waiting for your post showing what you think is a "snide comment"...

One example "Despite the Abbott government ending the people smuggling trade in Australian waters and therefore saving many lives, Milne said the European approach contrasted with Australia’s cruelty."
There is an editorial section in the newspaper where the newspaper expresses its view. That's why they invented the editorial so that readers were not fooled into thinking that the newspapers opinion was being pedalled as fact. So when the newspaper editorialises in the middle of a news story repeatedly then what they are giving you is not news but propaganda. If you opened a North Korean "newspaper" it would read very like the DT.

Can't argue with facts...

Unless of course they're not facts but just simply portrayed as fact in which case they should not be stated in a news report as if they were facts.

"...the Abbott government end(ed) the people smuggling trade in Australian waters and therefore sav(ed) many lives..." They did end the people smuggling trade in Australian waters. - Fact

"Milne said the European approach contrasted with Australia’s cruelty" Milne did say this - Fact

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Milne wrong and using dead for political gain Reply #31 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 1:14pm Milne's an idiot, Hanson-Dumb is and the rest of the parliamentary Greens aren't much better.
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Reply #32 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 1:21pm

The Heartless Felon wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 11:57am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 11:27am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 11:03am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 9:05am:

Still waiting for your post showing what you think is a "snide comment"...

One example "Despite the Abbott government ending the people smuggling trade in Australian waters and therefore saving many lives, Milne said the European approach contrasted with Australia’s cruelty."
There is an editorial section in the newspaper where the newspaper expresses its view. That's why they invented the editorial so that readers were not fooled into thinking that the newspapers opinion was being pedalled as fact. So when the newspaper editorialises in the middle of a news story repeatedly then what they are giving you is not news but propaganda. If you opened a North Korean "newspaper" it would read very like the DT.

Can't argue with facts...

Unless of course they're not facts but just simply portrayed as fact in which case they should not be stated in a news report as if they were facts.

"...the Abbott government end(ed) the people smuggling trade in Australian waters and therefore sav(ed) many lives..." They did end the people smuggling trade in Australian waters. - Fact

"Milne said the European approach contrasted with Australia’s cruelty" Milne did say this - Fact

Thank God for the ABC. We can rely on them for much more balanced reporting. Tax payers money very well spent!!!!!!

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Re: Milne wrong and using dead for political gain
Reply #33 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 1:25pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 8:07am:

Not only is Milne wrong about the Abbott government "punishing refugees", not only is she wrong about the Abbott government's policy being "cruel", she is clearly using the dead for her own political gain in an attempt to score some very cheap points. If we'd followed her lead, we could very well have seen that tragedy occur somewhere between Darwin and Bali by now and the 1,200 dead on Labor/Green's watch would likely be far higher than it is now. Milne should hang her head in shame.

exactly the same thing John Smith did...

Maybe Milne is writing on this forum under the NIC John Smith?

or is it they are both politically shameless... Angry

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Reply #34 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 1:32pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 1:25pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 8:07am:

Not only is Milne wrong about the Abbott government "punishing refugees", not only is she wrong about the Abbott government's policy being "cruel", she is clearly using the dead for her own political gain in an attempt to score some very cheap points. If we'd followed her lead, we could very well have seen that tragedy occur somewhere between Darwin and Bali by now and the 1,200 dead on Labor/Green's watch would likely be far higher than it is now. Milne should hang her head in shame.

exactly the same thing John Smith did...

Maybe Milne is writing on this forum under the NIC John Smith?

or is it they are both politically shameless... Angry

Could be.....Jack Sh!t does behave like a big tart, so he could indeed be Christine poorly disguised ..... Cheesy

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96313 Gender:	Re: Milne wrong and using dead for political gain Reply #35 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 2:47pm Grendel wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 1:14pm: Milne's an idiot, Hanson-Dumb is and the rest of the parliamentary Greens aren't much better. Good to see you providing some much-needed balance here, Grendel. These snide remarks against Mr Abbott are getting out of hand.
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Reply #36 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 2:50pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 8:07am:

Not only is Milne wrong about the Abbott government "punishing refugees"...

No she's not.

Quote:

...not only is she wrong about the Abbott government's policy being "cruel"...

No she's not.

Notice that I'm giving just as much substantiation to my claims as you are to yours.

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...If we'd followed her lead, we could very well have seen that tragedy occur somewhere between Darwin and Bali by now and the 1,200 dead on Labor/Green's watch would likely be far higher than it is now. Milne should hang her head in shame.

Dark Irony.

The main thrust of the Coalition asylum seeker policies have NOT been devised to limit the number of deaths at sea (ie. for humanitarian reasons); don't kid yourself. They're not called `Border Protection Policies' for nothing.

This `preventing asylum seekers from drowning' BS has been deceitfully overlaid on existing policy rationales.

If you have any doubts, just look at the conditions the asylum seekers are unlawfully detained in...

...oh wait you can't because all that info is now hidden under the `On Water Matters' directive.

[EDIT (additional): When Triggs handed down her report into conditions in those detention centres, every right wing journalist hack and politician gave her a bashing. What they did not do was RESPOND COMPASSIONATELY to the report.

What a bunch of immoral cowards.]

Remember this gem?

Quote:

"We will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come".

Does this sound like Howard is concerned with deaths at sea or is he using xenophobic racism to dog-whistle One Nation supporters to come back to the Coalition fold?

Were the lies about Children Overboard told out of a concern for the refugees?

Of course not.

More recently:

Quote:

"Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it’s not necessarily everyone’s place to come to Australia".

...also sounds like xenophobic rationalisation to me (and that's without going into the What Would Jesus Do implications...)

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison instructed departmental and detention centre staff to publicly refer to asylum seekers as ‘‘illegal maritime arrivals’’ and as ‘"detainees’’ or "transferees", rather than as refugees, asylum seekers or clients.

hmmm. Why would they do that if they were concerned with asylum seekers wellbeing?

Sounds like they're trying to dehumanise and demonise them; it does not sound respectful in the least.

Make no mistake, this mob doesn't give a tinker's cuss about any of them or their lives or their wellbeing or their rights.

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Re: Milne wrong and using dead for political gain
Reply #37 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 2:51pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 1:25pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 8:07am:

Not only is Milne wrong about the Abbott government "punishing refugees", not only is she wrong about the Abbott government's policy being "cruel", she is clearly using the dead for her own political gain in an attempt to score some very cheap points. If we'd followed her lead, we could very well have seen that tragedy occur somewhere between Darwin and Bali by now and the 1,200 dead on Labor/Green's watch would likely be far higher than it is now. Milne should hang her head in shame.

exactly the same thing John Smith did...

Maybe Milne is writing on this forum under the NIC John Smith?

or is it they are both politically shameless... Angry

only a lib would make asylum seekers a political issue, then complain when it is used politically

I'm also not sure how anyone who supports Abbott could even contemplate calling anyone else shameless ... the only thing that makes sense is that there must be a lot of people that don't own mirrors

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Re: Milne wrong and using dead for political gain
Reply #38 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 2:52pm

Resolute wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 1:32pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 1:25pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 8:07am:

Not only is Milne wrong about the Abbott government "punishing refugees", not only is she wrong about the Abbott government's policy being "cruel", she is clearly using the dead for her own political gain in an attempt to score some very cheap points. If we'd followed her lead, we could very well have seen that tragedy occur somewhere between Darwin and Bali by now and the 1,200 dead on Labor/Green's watch would likely be far higher than it is now. Milne should hang her head in shame.

exactly the same thing John Smith did...

Maybe Milne is writing on this forum under the NIC John Smith?

or is it they are both politically shameless... Angry

Could be.....Jack Sh!t does behave like a big tart, so he could indeed be Christine poorly disguised ..... Cheesy

Judging from your posts I'd have thought you liked a tart or two ...

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Re: Milne wrong and using dead for political gain
Reply #39 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 4:21pm

Grendel wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Milne's an idiot, Hanson-Dumb is and the rest of the parliamentary Greens aren't much better.
Roll Eyes

That's as may be, but the fact remains that the Greens are the only
ones to field an even remotely-acceptable boat-people policy.

I have no time for much of the Greens' agenda, but I totally support
them in their opposition to our ongoing deplorable and reprehensible
treatment of asylum-seekers.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Milne wrong and using dead for political gain Reply #40 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 4:44pm Grendel wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 1:14pm: Milne's an idiot, Hanson-Dumb is and the rest of the parliamentary Greens aren't much better. profound.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74966 Gender:	Re: Milne wrong and using dead for political gain Reply #41 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 4:45pm polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 4:44pm: Grendel wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 1:14pm: Milne's an idiot, Hanson-Dumb is and the rest of the parliamentary Greens aren't much better. profound. and totally unbiased ....
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Reply #42 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:13pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 8:02am:

GREENS leader Senator Christine Milne has praised European authorities for respecting the dignity of 800 dead boat people.

Despite the Abbott government ending the people smuggling trade in Australian waters and therefore saving many lives, Milne said the European approach contrasted with Australia’s cruelty.

“The reporting talks about the tragedy as people drown ... they don’t talk about ‘illegals’ ... and they don’t talk about punishing refugees,” Milne told reporters in Hobart as crews continued recovering the bodies of dead people-smuggling victims. The 800 people, mostly from Africa and the Middle East, drowned when their boat capsized off the Italian coast on Sunday. UN spokeswoman Carlotta Sami described the tragedy as “the worst massacre ever seen in the Mediterranean”.

“The response by Sicilian authorities shows that Europeans respect the dignity of boat people,” Senator Milne said. “They talk about offering help and assistance.”

An estimated 1000 asylum seekers drowned trying to reach Australia after the Labor government relaxed previously successful border protection policies in 2008.

Following the deaths of 200 asylum seekers in 2011, Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young, whose party backed Labor’s policy switch, said: “Tragedies happen, accidents happen.”

The Abbott government restored people-smuggling deterrents after being elected in 2013. There were no confirmed deaths of asylum seekers attempting to reach Australia for the entire following year.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/no-talk-of-illegals-in-europe-says-gre...

what 'dignity' is there in 800 dead people lead to do so by slack immigration policies? there is no dignity in drowning. Milne is an idiot.

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Reply #43 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:17pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 10:29am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 10:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 9:43am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 9:05am:

Still waiting for your post showing what you think is a "snide comment"...

You don't get comprehension do you.

You still sidestep the question about balance.

Keep in mind that this is not using the Bolt loop hole of claiming it is an opinion piece - this is supposedly a news story that just happens to be 70% comprised of the writers personal commentary in opposition to the actual story.

What's wrong with the article? Nothing stated is anything less than fact. Milne actually said what she is quoted as saying. What the Abbott government has been claimed to have done in the article, actually happened.

The comments about what Abbott has done is not relevant to the story and is only used to misleadingly mock the quote from Milne by relating it to a different area.

The report is meant to be on what Milne had said not about the writers opinion on a different matter, that would be an opinion piece, this is not presented as an opinion it is meant to be a report on the event not an opportunity to use her statement against her politically.

Her statement is both prefaced and followed by unrelated commentary undermining what she had said.

You are not going to tell me that you see no bias in the article are you ?

getting a tad desperate now, aren't you? there were no factual errors in the article nor any bias. You just dont like the story because it makes you look silly.

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Reply #44 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:19pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 11:27am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 11:03am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 10:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 9:05am:

Still waiting for your post showing what you think is a "snide comment"...

One example "Despite the Abbott government ending the people smuggling trade in Australian waters and therefore saving many lives, Milne said the European approach contrasted with Australia’s cruelty."
There is an editorial section in the newspaper where the newspaper expresses its view. That's why they invented the editorial so that readers were not fooled into thinking that the newspapers opinion was being pedalled as fact. So when the newspaper editorialises in the middle of a news story repeatedly then what they are giving you is not news but propaganda. If you opened a North Korean "newspaper" it would read very like the DT.

Can't argue with facts...

Unless of course they're not facts but just simply portrayed as fact in which case they should not be stated in a news report as if they were facts.

you really are not a fan of facts that oppose your ideology, are you? stopping to boats has saved thousands of lives and that is based on the thousand or so that DID die in the previous few years. It is quite simple... unless you place ideology above truth - which you do.

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