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Reply #60 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:32pm

red baron wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:27pm:

There would have been a nasty one in Melbourne if the Intelligence Service had not discovered it before Anzac Day. You see.....these things are just going to bob up. Because that's what a Jihad against the west is. Just keep grinding away and upping the ante.

Horseshit. Wanke rs plotting like when I was 5/6/7. My mate and I planned on paper decisive and murderous action against the Souix and any other mob of Red Indians we could think of.

Phew, we got away with that, and here we are.

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Reply #61 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:35pm

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:24pm:

Sore End "logic": if you have an ISIS flag you are an active supporter and fully paid up member of ISIS and you believe in everything it stands for.

What about if you have an Australian flag, Sore End?

https://theantibogan.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/769501-young-muslim-girls-with-...

What an own goal, that picture.

What you are arguing is that having an ISIL flag doesn't necessarily mean that they support ISIL - and then you post a pic muslim girls using the Australian flag as a parallel illustration that wearing a flag is not necessarily identifying with what it symbolises.

You are such a silly berk.

Everything needs to be explained to you, doesn't it Sore End.

As an Islamophobe, you think that all Muslims hate us and our way of life.

Yet, the picture I presented you with shows Muslims with Australian flags.

You believe that having an ISIS flag makes you a true ISIS member.

Why, then, don't you see those women as true Australians?

Take your time ...

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Reply #62 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:37pm

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:27pm:

So, what "perfectly good, rational reasons" are you talking about?

You don't like Islam. Are your reasons irrational and bad?

I don't fear and hate everything about Islam and Muslims.

I'm not an Islamophobe.

Concentrate.

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Reply #64 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:37pm:

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:27pm:

So, what "perfectly good, rational reasons" are you talking about?

You don't like Islam. Are your reasons irrational and bad?

I don't fear and hate everything about Islam and Muslims.

I'm not an Islamophobe.

Concentrate.

I asked you about your reasons for disliking Islam. ARe they not rational reasons?

A minute ago you didn't seem to be able to conceive any good, rational reasons for disliking Islam. Did you finally click and learned to like Islam?

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Reply #65 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:35pm:

Everything needs to be explained to you, doesn't it Sore End.

As an Islamophobe, you think that all Muslims hate us and our way of life.

Stop with the sleight of hand - equating criticism of Islam with hate of all Muslims - it's very, very obvious, it has been spotted endlessly. It's a tired old trick nobody falls for anyone.

Yes, you are thick, yes, you are resistant to light but even for you, persisting with such crap should be passe.

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Reply #66 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:48pm

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:37pm:

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:27pm:

So, what "perfectly good, rational reasons" are you talking about?

You don't like Islam. Are your reasons irrational and bad?

I don't fear and hate everything about Islam and Muslims.

I'm not an Islamophobe.

Concentrate.

I asked you about your reasons for disliking Islam ...

... as a way of taking the attention away from you, and avoiding the question of why you have a hatred and fear of all Muslims and everything to do with Islam.

Why are you an Islamophobe?

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Reply #67 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:49pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:35pm:

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:24pm:

Sore End "logic": if you have an ISIS flag you are an active supporter and fully paid up member of ISIS and you believe in everything it stands for.

What about if you have an Australian flag, Sore End?

https://theantibogan.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/769501-young-muslim-girls-with-...

What an own goal, that picture.

What you are arguing is that having an ISIL flag doesn't necessarily mean that they support ISIL - and then you post a pic muslim girls using the Australian flag as a parallel illustration that wearing a flag is not necessarily identifying with what it symbolises.

You are such a silly berk.

Everything needs to be explained to you, doesn't it Sore End.

As an Islamophobe, you think that all Muslims hate us and our way of life.

Yet, the picture I presented you with shows Muslims with Australian flags.

You believe that having an ISIS flag makes you a true ISIS member.

Why, then, don't you see those women as true Australians?

Take your time ...

But isn't everyone who wears the Australian flag as a cape automatically a 'racist bogan'???

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #68 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:54pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:35pm:

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:24pm:

Sore End "logic": if you have an ISIS flag you are an active supporter and fully paid up member of ISIS and you believe in everything it stands for.

What about if you have an Australian flag, Sore End?

https://theantibogan.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/769501-young-muslim-girls-with-...

What an own goal, that picture.

What you are arguing is that having an ISIL flag doesn't necessarily mean that they support ISIL - and then you post a pic muslim girls using the Australian flag as a parallel illustration that wearing a flag is not necessarily identifying with what it symbolises.

You are such a silly berk.

Everything needs to be explained to you, doesn't it Sore End.

As an Islamophobe, you think that all Muslims hate us and our way of life.

Yet, the picture I presented you with shows Muslims with Australian flags.

You believe that having an ISIS flag makes you a true ISIS member.

Why, then, don't you see those women as true Australians?

Take your time ...

But isn't everyone who wears the Australian flag as a cape automatically a 'racist bogan'???

Not that I'm aware.

Are you calling those women racists?

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Reply #69 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 6:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:35pm:

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:24pm:

Sore End "logic": if you have an ISIS flag you are an active supporter and fully paid up member of ISIS and you believe in everything it stands for.

What about if you have an Australian flag, Sore End?

https://theantibogan.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/769501-young-muslim-girls-with-...

What an own goal, that picture.

What you are arguing is that having an ISIL flag doesn't necessarily mean that they support ISIL - and then you post a pic muslim girls using the Australian flag as a parallel illustration that wearing a flag is not necessarily identifying with what it symbolises.

You are such a silly berk.

Everything needs to be explained to you, doesn't it Sore End.

As an Islamophobe, you think that all Muslims hate us and our way of life.

Yet, the picture I presented you with shows Muslims with Australian flags.

You believe that having an ISIS flag makes you a true ISIS member.

Why, then, don't you see those women as true Australians?

Take your time ...

But isn't everyone who wears the Australian flag as a cape automatically a 'racist bogan'???

Not that I'm aware.

Are you calling those women racists?

Well you seemed to think so back in January...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421819034/all

"Not everybody, no.

However those that wear it as a cape, and those that fly it from their vehicles, are almost certainly bogans."

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #70 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 6:20pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 6:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:35pm:

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 5:24pm:

Sore End "logic": if you have an ISIS flag you are an active supporter and fully paid up member of ISIS and you believe in everything it stands for.

What about if you have an Australian flag, Sore End?

https://theantibogan.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/769501-young-muslim-girls-with-...

What an own goal, that picture.

What you are arguing is that having an ISIL flag doesn't necessarily mean that they support ISIL - and then you post a pic muslim girls using the Australian flag as a parallel illustration that wearing a flag is not necessarily identifying with what it symbolises.

You are such a silly berk.

Everything needs to be explained to you, doesn't it Sore End.

As an Islamophobe, you think that all Muslims hate us and our way of life.

Yet, the picture I presented you with shows Muslims with Australian flags.

You believe that having an ISIS flag makes you a true ISIS member.

Why, then, don't you see those women as true Australians?

Take your time ...

But isn't everyone who wears the Australian flag as a cape automatically a 'racist bogan'???

Not that I'm aware.

Are you calling those women racists?

Well you seemed to think so back in January...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421819034/all

"Not everybody, no.

However those that wear it as a cape, and those that fly it from their vehicles, are almost certainly bogans."

I think there's something missing.

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Reply #71 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 7:38pm

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 4:17pm:

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 9:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

So not every phobia is an irrational fear or hatred, only Islamophobia carries the hatred element.

No.

Where'd you get that idea from?

Only Islamophobia carries the Islam element.

There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it no matter what fatuous legislation is enacted. And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.

Which they fail totally to articulate adequately

Well, why don't you articulate it for them.

How can I? I don't suffer from the malady, Soren. I have no experience of what you suffer from! Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #72 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 9:56pm

Who the hell suffers from Islamophobia? I normally consider it worthwhile to keep Muslims up to date with the 21st century standards. It may not change them much for the better, but at least you can't say that you have not tried.

I would be suffering under Islamic rule. That's why the Muslims keep running away from Islamic nations.

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Reply #73 - May 2^nd, 2015 at 11:29pm

Islamophobia? That seems to me an entirely rational response to an illiberal, vindictive and frankly fascistic creed. I am not a Muslimophobe — I am well aware that enormous numbers of Muslims do not subscribe to all of the particularly unpleasant tenets of Islam as it is practised and preached today. Not all of them wish to chop your head off or stone you to death or simply imprison you for not being one of them, or for being homosexual, or Jewish, or for renouncing your faith because you’ve suddenly realised that it is illiberal, vindictive and fascistic. Not all of them believe that democracy is — much as Hitler saw it — evil, decadent and weak (and not a match for the will of Allah), or that women should be dressed in sackcloth and ashes and not allowed to be educated or to go to work. Or that non-Muslims are a lower species of human being, scarcely human beings at all — ‘cattle’, as the, uh, liberal Muslim columnist Mehdi Hassan once put it. Not all of them persecute or murder Christians, or simply ban them from worshipping their God. Not all of them believe the Holocaust didn’t happen, or that it did happen and it was a bloody good thing, all things considered. Or that freedom of speech and freedom of thought are both ludicrous concepts.

It’s the ideology I have a problem with, then, not so much the people. Although having said that, I’m not keen on those beards they all have. But that’s another issue. Lifelong pogonophobic, me.
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This year’s Islamophobe of the Year was the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo — obviously, murdering the people who ran the magazine was not quite enough for the IHRC. It thought Charlie Hebdo needed another bash over the head. Incidentally, the IHRC is considered to be one of the more liberal and humanitarian Islamic organisations in the UK.
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There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it no matter what fatuous legislation is enacted. And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons. [see list above]
http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/rod-liddle/9513162/heres-everything-islamo...

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Reply #74 - May 3^rd, 2015 at 12:04am

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 7:38pm:

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 4:17pm:

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 9:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

So not every phobia is an irrational fear or hatred, only Islamophobia carries the hatred element.

No.

Where'd you get that idea from?

Only Islamophobia carries the Islam element.

There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it no matter what fatuous legislation is enacted. And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.

Which they fail totally to articulate adequately

Well, why don't you articulate it for them.

How can I? I don't suffer from the malady, Soren. I have no experience of what you suffer from! Roll Eyes

Are you saying that anyone who completely rejects Islam is suffering from a malady, is irrational and is full of hatred and fear? That there is no reasonable way to completely reject Islam?

If you are not saying that, then what is the correct word for the rational and complete rejection of Islam as a religion and an ideology?

Or must we all accept and like and uphold some aspects of Islam? (which ones?)

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