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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: Pat Condell on mass Muslim immigration Reply #75 - May 3^rd, 2015 at 3:03pm Islam gives the left a big woody just as communism used to in the past, Islam, finally a religion the idiot left can embrace but only because its fascist, violent and illogical ... just like them
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Reply #76 - May 3^rd, 2015 at 5:37pm

Soren wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 12:04am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 7:38pm:

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 4:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 4:17pm:

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2015 at 9:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 7:05pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

So not every phobia is an irrational fear or hatred, only Islamophobia carries the hatred element.

No.

Where'd you get that idea from?

Only Islamophobia carries the Islam element.

There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it no matter what fatuous legislation is enacted. And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.

Which they fail totally to articulate adequately

Well, why don't you articulate it for them.

How can I? I don't suffer from the malady, Soren. I have no experience of what you suffer from! Roll Eyes

Are you saying that anyone who completely rejects Islam is suffering from a malady, is irrational and is full of hatred and fear?

No.

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That there is no reasonable way to completely reject Islam?

Of course there is. Problem is, you don't do it because of your malady.

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If you are not saying that, then what is the correct word for the rational and complete rejection of Islam as a religion and an ideology?

Perhaps not continually persecuting Muslims for their choice?

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Or must we all accept and like and uphold some aspects of Islam? (which ones?)

Nope.

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Reply #77 - May 4^th, 2015 at 12:31pm

Islamophobia? That seems to me an entirely rational response to an illiberal, vindictive and frankly fascistic creed. I am not a Muslimophobe — I am well aware that enormous numbers of Muslims do not subscribe to all of the particularly unpleasant tenets of Islam as it is practised and preached today. Not all of them wish to chop your head off or stone you to death or simply imprison you for not being one of them, or for being homosexual, or Jewish, or for renouncing your faith because you’ve suddenly realised that it is illiberal, vindictive and fascistic. Not all of them believe that democracy is — much as Hitler saw it — evil, decadent and weak (and not a match for the will of Allah), or that women should be dressed in sackcloth and ashes and not allowed to be educated or to go to work. Or that non-Muslims are a lower species of human being, scarcely human beings at all — ‘cattle’, as the, uh, liberal Muslim columnist Mehdi Hassan once put it. Not all of them persecute or murder Christians, or simply ban them from worshipping their God. Not all of them believe the Holocaust didn’t happen, or that it did happen and it was a bloody good thing, all things considered. Or that freedom of speech and freedom of thought are both ludicrous concepts.

It’s the ideology I have a problem with, then, not so much the people. Although having said that, I’m not keen on those beards they all have. But that’s another issue. Lifelong pogonophobic, me.
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This year’s Islamophobe of the Year was the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo — obviously, murdering the people who ran the magazine was not quite enough for the IHRC. It thought Charlie Hebdo needed another bash over the head. Incidentally, the IHRC is considered to be one of the more liberal and humanitarian Islamic organisations in the UK.
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There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it no matter what fatuous legislation is enacted. And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons. [see list above]
http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/rod-liddle/9513162/heres-everything-islamo...

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Reply #78 - May 4^th, 2015 at 12:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 5:37pm:

Soren wrote on May 3^rd, 2015 at 12:04am:

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Are you saying that anyone who completely rejects Islam is suffering from a malady, is irrational and is full of hatred and fear?

No.

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That there is no reasonable way to completely reject Islam?

Of course there is. Problem is, you don't do it because of your malady.

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If you are not saying that, then what is the correct word for the rational and complete rejection of Islam as a religion and an ideology?

Perhaps not continually persecuting Muslims for their choice?

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Or must we all accept and like and uphold some aspects of Islam? (which ones?)

Nope.

SO tell us what is a reasonable way to completely reject Islam?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Pat Condell on mass Muslim immigration Reply #79 - May 8^th, 2015 at 5:38pm Another objective, rational criticism of Islam http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_d...
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35522 Gender:	Re: Pat Condell on mass Muslim immigration Reply #80 - May 8^th, 2015 at 5:50pm Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:38pm: Another objective, rational criticism of Islam http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_d... What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first.
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Reply #81 - May 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Another objective, rational criticism of Islam

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_d...

What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first.

Haven't you watched any of the other Pat Condell vids??.....they are ALL "objective, rational criticisms" of Islam..

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #82 - May 8^th, 2015 at 6:16pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Another objective, rational criticism of Islam

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_d...

What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first.

Haven't you watched any of the other Pat Condell vids??.....they are ALL "objective, rational criticisms" of Islam..

I've watched some of them ... and i respectfully disagree.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #83 - May 8^th, 2015 at 6:32pm

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Another objective, rational criticism of Islam

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_d...

What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first.

Haven't you watched any of the other Pat Condell vids??.....they are ALL "objective, rational criticisms" of Islam..

I've watched some of them ... and i respectfully disagree.

Well you are allowed to...BUT, he's still right..

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #84 - May 8^th, 2015 at 7:28pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Another objective, rational criticism of Islam

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_d...

What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first.

Haven't you watched any of the other Pat Condell vids??.....they are ALL "objective, rational criticisms" of Islam..

They're all comedy skits, actually.

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Reply #85 - May 8^th, 2015 at 8:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Another objective, rational criticism of Islam

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_d...

What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first.

Haven't you watched any of the other Pat Condell vids??.....they are ALL "objective, rational criticisms" of Islam..

They're all comedy skits, actually.

Only according to Islamic apologists like you greg..

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #86 - May 8^th, 2015 at 8:45pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 8:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Another objective, rational criticism of Islam

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_d...

What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first.

Haven't you watched any of the other Pat Condell vids??.....they are ALL "objective, rational criticisms" of Islam..

They're all comedy skits, actually.

Only according to Islamic apologists like you greg..

You've mistaken me for someone else.

I have no time for Islam, and have said so on several occasions.

Condell is a comedian, and his videos are tongue in cheek comedy skits.

He's sucked you in, hook line & sinker, and you can't even see that it's happened.

It's priceless.

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Reply #87 - May 8^th, 2015 at 11:46pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Another objective, rational criticism of Islam

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_d...

What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first.

Haven't you watched any of the other Pat Condell vids??.....they are ALL "objective, rational criticisms" of Islam..

What a shame he fails as an entertainer though, Gizmo... Roll Eyes

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Reply #88 - May 8^th, 2015 at 11:50pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 11:46pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

mothra wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

Soren wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Another objective, rational criticism of Islam

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/02/cartoon_d...

What do you mean another? You're yet to provide a first.

Haven't you watched any of the other Pat Condell vids??.....they are ALL "objective, rational criticisms" of Islam..

What a shame he fails as an entertainer though, Gizmo... Roll Eyes

Gizmo thinks that Dame Edna is a woman.

Wink

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35522 Gender:	Re: Pat Condell on mass Muslim immigration Reply #89 - May 9^th, 2015 at 12:10am It;s a little bit hilarious and a little bit frightening when satire becomes truth to the observer. You gotta question yourself at that point don't you?
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