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Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Reply #15 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 12:53am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29th, 2015 at 3:11pm:
They have no choice HB:

muslim == a follower of ISLAM





Exactly so gandalf.



PERTINENT QUESTIONS;

Is there any moslem, who is unfamiliar with what the Koran is ?

Is there any moslem, who is unfamiliar with who Mohammed [the messenger of Allah] is ?

Is there any moslem, who is unfamiliar with what the sunnah of Mohammed is ?

Is there any moslem, who is unfamiliar with what the Shahada is ?

Is there any moslem, who is unfamiliar with the religious obligations to Allah, that every moslem has [so as to be able to remain a bona fide moslem, and have a chance at Allah's paradise] ?




Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."





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STRAIGHT FROM THE PROPHETS MOUTH

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"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

In the Hadith verse above, Mohammed is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
i.e. Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And in Koran 9.111, Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed, while seeking to kill Allah's enemies.



"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadith/bukhari/ #001.002.025
see also,
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.080i
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.196


"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025





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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran
  [and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].





SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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To moslems, disbelievers are not 'innocent people'.

Moslems can 'lawfully' kill any non-moslem who rejects ISLAM.

That is mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine.


Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

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YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4







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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Reply #16 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:00am
 
Do you ever come up with new posts yadda?

Nearly every single post of your is the same and you recycle the same posts over and over, you put up the same quotes and photos of people going back 10 years.
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Reply #17 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:42am
 
Why shouldn't you criticise? That's a silly question, of course you should criticise.

I am curious why though you are not more critical of much more than just Islamic radicalisation....

Why should I, for example, not be more critical of the society that I live in more broadly. Why shouldn't I be critical say of the Catholic Church (that ol' chestnut of hypocrisy in this morass of criticism and angst)....?

Why shouldn't I (or you for that matter) be more critical of the negative impact that global corporatisation has on the battlers/workers/average people of this country?

Mate, you can, quite clearly, be as critical as you like, as demonstrated by your ongoing one eyed criticism of moslems (yep, every moslem and not just in Australia quite clearly)....

So, I think the thread title is being a bit of a drama queen to be honest. Nothing stopping you from criticising, in fact, as just one poster who quite openly would treat said criticism with contempt (as is my right), I would encourage you to broaden your horizons. There is a whole lot more nasty going on than just terrorism, or islamic radicalisation.

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Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Reply #18 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 9:16am
 
Phemanderac wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:42am:
Why shouldn't you criticise? That's a silly question, of course you should criticise.

I am curious why though you are not more critical of much more than just Islamic radicalisation....

Why should I, for example, not be more critical of the society that I live in more broadly. Why shouldn't I be critical say of the Catholic Church (that ol' chestnut of hypocrisy in this morass of criticism and angst)....?

Why shouldn't I (or you for that matter) be more critical of the negative impact that global corporatisation has on the battlers/workers/average people of this country?

Mate, you can, quite clearly, be as critical as you like, as demonstrated by your ongoing one eyed criticism of moslems (yep, every moslem and not just in Australia quite clearly)....

So, I think the thread title is being a bit of a drama queen to be honest. Nothing stopping you from criticising, in fact, as just one poster who quite openly would treat said criticism with contempt (as is my right), I would encourage you to broaden your horizons. There is a whole lot more nasty going on than just terrorism, or islamic radicalisation.

 


You can’t say that, P. That’s offensive.

Stick to the Moslems, please.
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Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Reply #19 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 10:55am
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 12:21am:
|dev|null wrote on Apr 29th, 2015 at 11:30am:
I always find it interesting Y. that you claim we should confront and criticise Muslims in Australia for what Muslims overseas do in the name of Islam.....


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Well, Australian Muslims aren't responsible for how others twist and misuse the teachings of Mohammed.




In what way are moslems in Australia not responsible ?

...when every moslem in Australia, is a person who follows a 'faith' which praises homicidal maniacs ?


So, every Muslim praises "homicidal maniacs"?  You have questioned every Muslim in Australia, from the youngest to the oldest Y?  Really?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Reply #20 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 11:26am
 
Really HB - you should know by now Yadda will happily go on till Kingdom Come with his unfalsifiable logic.

He is the very definition of pointless debate.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #21 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 12:13pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 11:26am:
Really HB - you should know by now Yadda will happily go on till Kingdom Come with his unfalsifiable logic.

He is the very definition of pointless debate.


That maybe true.  Of course, as a Muslim you could be practicing Taqiyya on me!  How will I know?   I am just so confused now, G.!   Which is of course why I have chosen The Way!   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Reply #22 - May 1st, 2015 at 11:31am
 
wally1 wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:00am:

Do you ever come up with new posts yadda?




Oh i can assure you wally1,      .....i am looking for new material all of the time!



So much to do, so little time.      Huh




wally1,

I would encourage you to just look at the evidences, published here, EVERYDAY!!!

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/



< ------------ PLEASE CONSIDER MAKING A DONATION TO, Glen Roberts, TROP Editor, who is working upon our behalf, to make people aware of the real behaviour and the real motives of moslems.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Reply #23 - May 1st, 2015 at 11:49am
 
Phemanderac wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:42am:
Why shouldn't you criticise? That's a silly question, of course you should criticise.

I am curious why though you are not more critical of much more than just Islamic radicalisation....



Phemanderac,

I'm one eyed, i'm a Cyclops,

But more seriously, a modern rampant ISLAM, poses the greatest moral threat to all of mankind today, imo.




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Quote:
Why should I, for example, not be more critical of the society that I live in more broadly. Why shouldn't I be critical say of the Catholic Church (that ol' chestnut of hypocrisy in this morass of criticism and angst)....?

Why shouldn't I (or you for that matter) be more critical of the negative impact that global corporatisation has on the battlers/workers/average people of this country?

Mate, you can, quite clearly, be as critical as you like, as demonstrated by your ongoing one eyed criticism of moslems (yep, every moslem and not just in Australia quite clearly)....

So, I think the thread title is being a bit of a drama queen to be honest. Nothing stopping you from criticising, in fact, as just one poster who quite openly would treat said criticism with contempt (as is my right), I would encourage you to broaden your horizons. There is a whole lot more nasty going on than just terrorism, or islamic radicalisation.


Phemanderac,

I am critical of every individual or organisation that tries to avoid consequences for the the wrongdoing which they have done in the past, or have enabled and facilitated in the past, including individuals, governments, corporations, and churches.

But i repeat;
A modern rampant ISLAM, poses the greatest moral threat to all of mankind today, imo.



But don't fret Phemanderac.

You, and i, are free, everyday, to make our own choices.

Indeed, everyone of us who draws breath, is able to choose for ourselves, how we conduct ourselves.       [....and i firmly believe that [eventually!] we will all answer for all of our choices in this life.]


Psalms 37:1
Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.
2  For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.
3  Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
4  Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
5  Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.
6  And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday.
7  Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
8  Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.
9  For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.


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Reply #24 - May 1st, 2015 at 11:59am
 
I thought Christians believed in predetermination?  God is omnipotent and knows exactly what you're planning to do even before you form the thoughts to plan it!  The ultimate Communist it seems, with a centrally planned Universe!   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Reply #25 - May 1st, 2015 at 12:18pm
 
|dev|null wrote on May 1st, 2015 at 11:59am:
I thought Christians believed in predetermination?

God is omnipotent and knows exactly what you're planning to do even before you form the thoughts to plan it!

The ultimate Communist it seems, with a centrally planned Universe!



That is right Hot_Breath, you are predestined to fail and to be rejected.            Shocked

Smiley



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Predestined for redemption or wrath ?

'God' is unfair ?

Isn't God being unjust to those, who all along, he says, were predestined to be rejected ?

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30  Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5  Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6  To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13  Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.


God the potter


Romans 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22  What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23  And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Romans 9:18
Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19  Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20  Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?


see also, Jeremiah 18




God is just WRONG, isn't he!!!!!               Shocked

Why don't you tell him, when you meet his spirit.

"Hey God!!!!!   YOU, made me do what i knew i shouldn't!"


Good luck with that!             Wink


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Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Reply #26 - May 1st, 2015 at 1:25pm
 
Yadda wrote on May 1st, 2015 at 12:18pm:
|dev|null wrote on May 1st, 2015 at 11:59am:
I thought Christians believed in predetermination?

God is omnipotent and knows exactly what you're planning to do even before you form the thoughts to plan it!

The ultimate Communist it seems, with a centrally planned Universe!



That is right Hot_Breath, you are predestined to fail and to be rejected.            Shocked

Smiley





Yadda said....
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God promises redemption, to those who do NOT 'go native' here,      ....to those who instead, 'seek him'.

How do we 'do' that ?

How do we 'seek' God.

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Deuteronomy 8:2
And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.







Psalms 25:8
Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
9  The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.
10  All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
11  For thy name's sake, O LORD, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.
12  What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
13  His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
14  The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.


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Re: Why shouldnt i criticise, every moslem here in Aus
Reply #27 - May 1st, 2015 at 1:33pm
 
Yadda wrote on May 1st, 2015 at 12:18pm:
|dev|null wrote on May 1st, 2015 at 11:59am:
I thought Christians believed in predetermination?

God is omnipotent and knows exactly what you're planning to do even before you form the thoughts to plan it!

The ultimate Communist it seems, with a centrally planned Universe!



That is right Hot_Breath, you are predestined to fail and to be rejected.            Shocked

Smiley


Interesting how you seem to take pleasure in my supposed failure, according to your measure of your own religion Y.  So much for Christianity's willingness to forgive and be merciful to sinners!  Hypocrite!   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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