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Is Islam a religion of peace? ~ US forum debate.
Apr 30th, 2015 at 1:54pm
 
The debate ran for approximately 1hr 45min.

At the start of the debate the host told the audience to use the electronic polling controls they had been given to say if they agreed or disagreed with this statement.

Here's what the audience decided:

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And then the debate proceeded for well over an hour.

The host then asked this audience to vote 'Yes' or 'No' to the question of whether they thought 'Islam is a religion of peace'.


The result now came out as:

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What this highlights is that the fence-sitters out there in society are in dire need of an education on the subject of Islam.
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Reply #1 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 3:21pm
 
around the 49 minute mark - the moderator destroys Hirsi-Ali's entire argument in one stroke: if islam can really be whatever you want it to be - then the peaceful muslims get to dictate it being a religion of peace.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #2 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 5:29pm
 
Do the same debate in front of a muslim audience and make the title "Is judaism a religion of peace".

No guessing what the result will be
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Reply #3 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 5:39pm
 
wally1 wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 5:29pm:
Do the same debate in front of a muslim audience and make the title "Is judaism a religion of peace".

No guessing what the result will be



Ive never heard any Jew ever say that Judaism is a religion of peace, especially after killing a bunch of people they don't like; so excellent comparison there, wal.


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Reply #4 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:12pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 3:21pm:
around the 49 minute mark - the moderator destroys Hirsi-Ali's entire argument in one stroke: if islam can really be whatever you want it to be - then the peaceful muslims get to dictate it being a religion of peace.


You know as well as I do that Islam does not allow for any sort of wriggle-room that deviates from the immutable Word of Allah as revealed through the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) ~ and therefore any other scriptural scenarios of a whimsical and 'interpretive' nature are invalid and redundant.

ISIS are in fact practicing True Islam to the letter. They are not a deviant minority ~ but are in fact conscientious exponents of the undiluted and faithful version of Islam as it was always intended to be.
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Reply #5 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:15pm
 
wally1 wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 5:29pm:
Do the same debate in front of a muslim audience and make the title "Is judaism a religion of peace".

No guessing what the result will be


Does Israel gratuitously initiate rocket attacks against its neighbouring countries, or do they only fire their weapons after they have come under attack from those around them?
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Reply #6 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:25pm
 
What I found utterly appalling about the debate was that so many in the audience pressed the "I Haven't a bugger** Clue" button at the start of the debate.

Looking at the audience you could see they were a well-dressed, well-educated Middle Class lot ~ and not a bunch of undergraduate ignoramuses.

That shocked me. There's something wrong with America's news and information services that so many in the audience had not yet worked out the highly volatile nature of fundamentalist Islam.

The fact that so many of these adults found themselves better informed after viewing this debate for only a short time is testimony to the fact that a great many Americans are being kept in the dark about Islam's potential for destroying Western nations ~ that Newt Gingrich spoke so eloquently about not so long ago.
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Reply #7 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:28pm
 
islams not a religion.

it's a cult
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Reply #8 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:34pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:28pm:
islams not a religion.

it's a cult


No ~ it's a religion.

Call it a 'cult' - and the apologists will use that to say that the cult of Islamist brutality is something separate and distinct from True Islam.

We mustn't give them anywhere to hide.


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Reply #9 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:42pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:12pm:
You know as well as I do that Islam does not allow for any sort of wriggle-room


And yet thats literally the entire premise of Hirsi-Ali's argument. In fact she's just written an entire book on the potential "wriggle room" in Islam. You really should take more notice of the arguments you assume support your views.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Re: Is Islam a religion of peace? ~ US forum debate.
Reply #10 - Apr 30th, 2015 at 10:22pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 30th, 2015 at 8:25pm:
What I found utterly appalling about the debate was that so many in the audience pressed the "I Haven't a bugger** Clue" button at the start of the debate.

Looking at the audience you could see they were a well-dressed, well-educated Middle Class lot ~ and not a bunch of undergraduate ignoramuses.

That shocked me. There's something wrong with America's news and information services that so many in the audience had not yet worked out the highly volatile nature of fundamentalist Islam.

The fact that so many of these adults found themselves better informed after viewing this debate for only a short time is testimony to the fact that a great many Americans are being kept in the dark about Islam's potential for destroying Western nations ~ that Newt Gingrich spoke so eloquently about not so long ago.


You really do have problems when people state their true lack of knowledge about Islam, don't you, Herbie?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - May 1st, 2015 at 6:31am
 
exactly Brian - people who are ignorant of Islam should pretend they're not and make up a whole bunch of bad stuff about it and get themselves angry - like Herb.
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Reply #12 - May 1st, 2015 at 6:46am
 
Give us one thing worth knowing about Islam other than its justification of the murder of infidels. Of course if you are dead it will not be of much use. Try telling the Kenyans who their lost children recently. You people are such a bunch of liars.
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Reply #13 - May 1st, 2015 at 11:30am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 1st, 2015 at 6:31am:
exactly Brian - people who are ignorant of Islam should pretend they're not and make up a whole bunch of bad stuff about it and get themselves angry - like Herb.


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Reply #14 - May 1st, 2015 at 11:35am
 
issuevoter wrote on May 1st, 2015 at 6:46am:
Give us one thing worth knowing about Islam other than its justification of the murder of infidels. Of course if you are dead it will not be of much use. Try telling the Kenyans who their lost children recently. You people are such a bunch of liars.


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