polite_gandalf wrote on May 3
rd, 2015 at 8:58am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 1
st, 2015 at 7:29pm:
Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." There is a good case to be made that the textual context of this particular passage is defensive war, even if the historical context was not. However, there are also two worrisome pieces to this verse. The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of "persecution" (a qualification that is ambiguous at best). The second is that fighting may persist until "religion is for Allah." The example set by Muhammad is not reassuring.
Lets look at the "two worrisome" pieces picked up here:
1. Killing is authorized in the event of persecution - and in parenthesis "
(a qualification that is ambiguous at best)":
verse 2:193 (mentioned but not quoted):
Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.Doesn't sound ambiguous at all to me -
fight the oppressors until the oppressors stop being oppressive. That is very, very disingenuous of you gandalf!
As you well know, ISLAMIC scholars will parse,
resisting Jihad violence, into,
'oppression of moslems'.
as per......
1/ Moslems murder or attempt to murder non-moslems.
2/ A secular authority kill or jail those moslems.
3/ The moslem community cry;
"Oppression of moslems!!!!"
'AGGRESSION IS SOMETHING ONLY INFIDELS DO'
Quote:
"......[resorting] to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of "opening" the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Qur'an and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists. Unbelievers who stand in the way, CREATING OBSTACLES FOR THE DA'WA, ARE BLAMED FOR THIS STATE OF WAR, for the da'wa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it.
IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE WHO RESIST ISLAM CAUSE WARS and are responsible for them.
.....Aggression is something only infidels do.
.....it is not seen as aggression or war when Muslims attack non-Muslims.
On the contrary, it is seen as aggression when non-Muslims resist the Islamization of their lands and thus "place obstacles in the way" of the spread of Islam.
They are defying the will of Allah.......subjugation to Islam alone can bring peace.....
......[To the ISLAMIST mind, 'aggression' is...] When non-Muslims do anything to preserve their culture and resist the Islamization of their country."
Q.
What is 'oppression' ?
'Oppression', is convicting and gaoling a group of 'Aussie' moslems -
just because they wanted to detonate an ISLAMIC bomb at the MCG, on Grand final day!!
Moslems refuse to be accountable for the lawlessness [i.e. law breaking] and violence which is seen in
ALL moslem communities [i.e. in all communities where moslems are present!].
And when you have the impertinence to confront a moslem with evidence of moslem wrongdoing and lawlessness;
It is always the same response;
Denial, lying, and deflection.ASK A MOSLEM;
MOSLEMS, ARE THE INNOCENT PEOPLE.
TERRORISM IS SOMETHING WHICH ONLY INFIDELS DO.
abu viewing osama positivelyhttp://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1304755026/22#22http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1304755026/23#23 Quote:
"Five Australian jihadists convicted - Sister, 'its not fair' "
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/15/2819965.htmhttp://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/australia-5-jihadists-motivated-by-intolerant-..."..The sister for one of the convicted men said...that the sentence is not fair to her community or religion."It was reported, that her brother
liked to watch videos of moslems beheading non-moslems, and now he can't,
...for a very long time.
And it's just not fair!!Australians laws are so unfair.
COMMENT;
This woman clearly identifies herself as a *moslem*.
And has clearly declared that *she believes*,
"...that the sentence is not fair to her community or religion."
As a moslem, this woman [along with all moslems] is
effectively declaring;
"ISLAM gives us moslems the right to use violence to impose our value system upon you non-moslems.
Your non-moslem laws are illegal, and unjust.
And it is evil, and unjust, for you to use your laws to resist our Jihad, against you."
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