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Re: Newspoll Labor 53% to LNP 47% 18-5-15
Reply #15 - May 18^th, 2015 at 1:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:08pm:

funny that you boofheads who live and breathe on Fairfax polls that show Abbott in the lead.

the libs are rising in the polls and labor is dropping.

still want an election?

Gee Longy, your beloved Newspoll - you know the one true poll according to you - says the opposite - libs are down one point from last one. Funny how for once the right-tards aren't quoting newspoll this week as gospel.

Ipsos have always slanted towards the coalition, so their result is not really surprising.

I am just enjoying the sight of your hypocrites ignoring the Fairfax poll - which you usually quote despites it always showing labor in a better light - because Newspoll suits your agenda.

Imagine what it would be like if you clowns could find a consistent non-ideological viewpoint on ANYTHING?

"You're black", said the pot to the kettle ...

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Reply #16 - May 18^th, 2015 at 2:01pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:08pm:

funny that you boofheads who live and breathe on Fairfax polls that show Abbott in the lead.

the libs are rising in the polls and labor is dropping.

still want an election?

Gee Longy, your beloved Newspoll - you know the one true poll according to you - says the opposite - libs are down one point from last one. Funny how for once the right-tards aren't quoting newspoll this week as gospel.

Ipsos have always slanted towards the coalition, so their result is not really surprising.

I am just enjoying the sight of your hypocrites ignoring the Fairfax poll - which you usually quote despites it always showing labor in a better light - because Newspoll suits your agenda.

Imagine what it would be like if you clowns could find a consistent non-ideological viewpoint on ANYTHING?

Done, the government have not won ONE POLL SINCE THREE WEEKS AFTER the LAST ELECTION, now that consistent. Grin

Longy,the gift that keeps on giving. Grin

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Newspoll Labor 53% to LNP 47% 18-5-15 Reply #17 - May 18^th, 2015 at 2:01pm Must be the TWITTER Generation logged on here. Only Twits use Twitter, no attention span. How many times must you all be told, the only real poll, the only one worth quoting is the election result.
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Reply #18 - May 18^th, 2015 at 2:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

I am just enjoying the sight of your hypocrites ignoring the Fairfax poll - which you usually quote despites it always showing labor in a better light - because Newspoll suits your agenda

Actually I don't pay much credence to any individual poll. I only draw conclusions when I look at polling trends - and the trend for the last 15 months or so has been very clear. Also, I'll wait for a few more 'budget' polls before I draw any conclusions about how the budget has affected the government's performance.

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Reply #19 - May 18^th, 2015 at 2:08pm

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

Must be the TWITTER Generation logged on here.
Only Twits use Twitter, no attention span.
How many times must you all be told, the only real poll, the only one worth quoting is the election result.

Polls generally get a bad press. However there is no doubt that they are an important guage for how the government is performing. Government's undeniably react to the polls in terms of policy direction. I actually think this is a good thing in terms of democracy.

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Reply #20 - May 18^th, 2015 at 2:16pm

Bam wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:08pm:

funny that you boofheads who live and breathe on Fairfax polls that show Abbott in the lead.

the libs are rising in the polls and labor is dropping.

still want an election?

Gee Longy, your beloved Newspoll - you know the one true poll according to you - says the opposite - libs are down one point from last one. Funny how for once the right-tards aren't quoting newspoll this week as gospel.

Ipsos have always slanted towards the coalition, so their result is not really surprising.

I am just enjoying the sight of your hypocrites ignoring the Fairfax poll - which you usually quote despites it always showing labor in a better light - because Newspoll suits your agenda.

Imagine what it would be like if you clowns could find a consistent non-ideological viewpoint on ANYTHING?

"You're black", said the pot to the kettle ...

except - you lying toad - I have always stated that Galaxy and Newspoll are to be preferred above others on the basis of their historical accuracy. I am just enjoying you hypocrites picking and choosing results.

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Reply #21 - May 18^th, 2015 at 2:18pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:08pm:

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

Must be the TWITTER Generation logged on here.
Only Twits use Twitter, no attention span.
How many times must you all be told, the only real poll, the only one worth quoting is the election result.

Polls generally get a bad press. However there is no doubt that they are an important guage for how the government is performing. Government's undeniably react to the polls in terms of policy direction. I actually think this is a good thing in terms of democracy.

Polls deservedly get bad press.
The recent UK one's a prime example.
I'm guessing you are active on Twitter?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Newspoll Labor 53% to LNP 47% 18-5-15 Reply #22 - May 18^th, 2015 at 2:21pm longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:16pm: I am just enjoying you hypocrites picking and choosing results. If you bothered taking any notice at all to Bam's posting history you'd know straight away that no one has pointed out the futility of taking out polls in isolation more than him.
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Reply #23 - May 18^th, 2015 at 2:26pm

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Polls deservedly get bad press.
The recent UK one's a prime example.
I'm guessing you are active on Twitter?

The recent UK one's are a bad example. I suspect the FPTP system makes polling a whole different kettle of fish. We know from history that UK polls are unreliable. Australia on the other hand has been remarkably reliable in predicting pretty much every election in living history (as for QLD, the polls actually predicted a hung parliament, but was wayward when using predictive preferences). And if the pollies know that these polls can be relied upon, then they shape their policies around them - which is exactly how democracy should be.

And I've never touched twitter.

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Reply #24 - May 18^th, 2015 at 4:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

I am just enjoying the sight of your hypocrites ignoring the Fairfax poll - which you usually quote despites it always showing labor in a better light - because Newspoll suits your agenda

Actually I don't pay much credence to any individual poll. I only draw conclusions when I look at polling trends - and the trend for the last 15 months or so has been very clear. Also, I'll wait for a few more 'budget' polls before I draw any conclusions about how the budget has affected the government's performance.

its the proper response. Its polling trends and consensus from other polls that give the true answer. But my point is that Labor's lead is small numerically and very weak politically. Shorten is a truly terrible leader and has no answer to Abbotts campaigning. If Labor is less than 4 points in the lead come election time, they are probably toast.

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Reply #25 - May 18^th, 2015 at 4:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:

Grendel wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Polls deservedly get bad press.
The recent UK one's a prime example.
I'm guessing you are active on Twitter?

The recent UK one's are a bad example. I suspect the FPTP system makes polling a whole different kettle of fish. We know from history that UK polls are unreliable. Australia on the other hand has been remarkably reliable in predicting pretty much every election in living history (as for QLD, the polls actually predicted a hung parliament, but was wayward when using predictive preferences). And if the pollies know that these polls can be relied upon, then they shape their policies around them - which is exactly how democracy should be.

And I've never touched twitter.

voluntary voting is what messes with polls. It would be nice to think that the number of people who don't actually vote (but feature in polls) have the same voting intentions than those that do, but history shows that it is very volatile. American political strategists can actually predict the outcomes of contests on the basis of the weather which affects somem sub groups more than others.

All in all, it is just another factor in favour of compulsory voting. The idea that a govt can be formed on the basis of weather is abhorrent.

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Reply #26 - May 18^th, 2015 at 4:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

I am just enjoying the sight of your hypocrites ignoring the Fairfax poll - which you usually quote despites it always showing labor in a better light - because Newspoll suits your agenda

Actually I don't pay much credence to any individual poll. I only draw conclusions when I look at polling trends - and the trend for the last 15 months or so has been very clear. Also, I'll wait for a few more 'budget' polls before I draw any conclusions about how the budget has affected the government's performance.

its the proper response. Its polling trends and consensus from other polls that give the true answer. But my point is that Labor's lead is small numerically and very weak politically. Shorten is a truly terrible leader and has no answer to Abbotts campaigning. If Labor is less than 4 points in the lead come election time, they are probably toast.

I love how you see, "Tonys almost as liked" or "Shortens almost as hated" as something to crow about.

Frankly my personal opinion is that most of the electorate a fed up with politics in this country & if a goat was put for PM it would be polling close to 80%.

Anyway the fact that he received a bounce from this budget just proves the hip pocket nerve is what Australians care about.

We know the cost of everything & the value of NOTHING!!!

What a disgustingly shallow nation we have become.

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Reply #27 - May 18^th, 2015 at 4:35pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 4:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

I am just enjoying the sight of your hypocrites ignoring the Fairfax poll - which you usually quote despites it always showing labor in a better light - because Newspoll suits your agenda

Actually I don't pay much credence to any individual poll. I only draw conclusions when I look at polling trends - and the trend for the last 15 months or so has been very clear. Also, I'll wait for a few more 'budget' polls before I draw any conclusions about how the budget has affected the government's performance.

its the proper response. Its polling trends and consensus from other polls that give the true answer. But my point is that Labor's lead is small numerically and very weak politically. Shorten is a truly terrible leader and has no answer to Abbotts campaigning. If Labor is less than 4 points in the lead come election time, they are probably toast.

I love how you see, "Tonys almost as liked" or "Shortens almost as hated" as something to crow about.

Frankly my personal opinion is that most of the electorate a fed up with politics in this country & if a goat was put for PM it would be polling close to 80%.

Anyway the fact that he received a bounce from this budget just proves the hip pocket nerve is what Australians care about.

We know the cost of everything & the value of NOTHING!!!

What a disgustingly shallow nation we have become.

I agree in large measure. VOters in this country DEMAND to have their vote bought, not earned. GOod policy that will cost us in the short term has next to no chance of being implemented. Witness the outrage - the OUTRAGE - over a proposed $10 per year increase in the price of petrol or the 'massive' maxime co-payment of $70 per year.

the problem with booms and extended economic growth is the age of entirlement and the expectation that good times are always coming and therefore a RIGHT. perhaps the occasional recession performs a social service as much as an economic one. Maybe the GFC shouldn't have been protected against so much and a small recession permitted.

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Reply #28 - May 18^th, 2015 at 4:49pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 4:35pm:

Witness the outrage - the OUTRAGE - over a proposed $10 per year increase in the price of petrol or the 'massive' maxime co-payment of $70 per year.

I like talking politics with you, we have a long history some 10+ years now.

Whilst I become ever more cynical & bitter, you become more delusional as demonstrated by the above.

Did you miss the massive outrage at a small increase to prices that was in most cases over compensated for?

No you didn't miss it, in fact you were driving on of the buses to Canberra.

Now of course you'll say Gillard ruled out a carbon tax hence the outrage, yet I'm sure Tony promised no new taxes & no changes to Medicare.

But WHATEVER.

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Reply #29 - May 18^th, 2015 at 5:13pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

I am just enjoying the sight of your hypocrites ignoring the Fairfax poll - which you usually quote despites it always showing labor in a better light - because Newspoll suits your agenda

Actually I don't pay much credence to any individual poll. I only draw conclusions when I look at polling trends - and the trend for the last 15 months or so has been very clear. Also, I'll wait for a few more 'budget' polls before I draw any conclusions about how the budget has affected the government's performance.

its the proper response. Its polling trends and consensus from other polls that give the true answer. But my point is that Labor's lead is small numerically and very weak politically. Shorten is a truly terrible leader and has no answer to Abbotts campaigninIg. If Labor is less than 4 points in the lead come election time, they are probably toast.

Abbott is the worst PM in this countries history, as all the polls confirm. Even McMahon was less hated and more competent and that really is saying something.
Abbott nearly got rolled just a year into his PMship and very well could be rolled before we go back to the polls. In comparison to Abbott even Rudd looks brilliant.
Only yesterday the biggest Liberal party fan girl on this site was singing the praises of a Morrison takeover. The coalition are f,,,,d under Abbott I hope they keep the women basher in the top job, I can't wait to see him belted with cricket bats come election time.

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