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Reply #15 - May 18^th, 2015 at 7:57pm

Dnarever wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:55pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

Its time wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

When you give up the standard of living that the unions have given you we may take you serious .

What a load of crap. The Unions gave me nothing. I went to University, studied hard, got my qualification, a job, worked hard and saved hard for my lifestyle. The Unions can go jump if they expect a thankyou from me - I got where I am today all by myself.

People were doing that when they had to work 60 hours a week and had 1 weeks leave, didn't get paid when sick and didn't get reasonable pay rates or increases at a time where the workplace was a dangerous place to work.

You still don't get sick leave if you're a casual. Oh crap - better not give the Unions any bad ideas!

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Reply #16 - May 18^th, 2015 at 7:58pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

Its time wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

When you give up the standard of living that the unions have given you we may take you serious .

What a load of crap. The Unions gave me nothing. I went to University, studied hard, got my qualification, a job, worked hard and saved hard for my lifestyle. The Unions can go jump if they expect a thankyou from me - I got where I am today all by myself.

You went to uni? I can't begin to imagine how stupid you were before you were educated Cheesy

when you pay back all the penalty rates, holiday pay, flexis and any other benefits that the unions got for you, people will take you seriously, until then you're just a hypocrite

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Reply #17 - May 18^th, 2015 at 8:02pm

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That's not what they mean and you know it (or ought to). This directive will mean government departments will effectively become recruiting offices for Unions and will have to pass on the personal details of new employees to Union officials.

What directive? Who did it come from and to whom was it addressed. How does a 'Government Department' recruit? It is a nothing......an entity.....a nothing.....no heart...no voice......so how does it do this amazing thing? Mary...remember her...the bird in the Pharmacy at Nambour Hospital. She gets a new workmate, and she passes the name on to the Union. Is that a problem? If so, why?

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Reply #18 - May 18^th, 2015 at 8:07pm

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That's not what they mean and you know it (or ought to). This directive will mean government departments will effectively become recruiting offices for Unions and will have to pass on the personal details of new employees to Union officials.

What directive? Who did it come from and to whom was it addressed. How does a 'Government Department' recruit? It is a nothing......an entity.....a nothing.....no heart...no voice......so how does it do this amazing thing? Mary...remember her...the bird in the Pharmacy at Nambour Hospital. She gets a new workmate, and she passes the name on to the Union. Is that a problem? If so, why?

WOW, you're stupid! Shocked

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Reply #19 - May 18^th, 2015 at 8:11pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:07pm:

Aussie wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:

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That's not what they mean and you know it (or ought to). This directive will mean government departments will effectively become recruiting offices for Unions and will have to pass on the personal details of new employees to Union officials.

What directive? Who did it come from and to whom was it addressed. How does a 'Government Department' recruit? It is a nothing......an entity.....a nothing.....no heart...no voice......so how does it do this amazing thing? Mary...remember her...the bird in the Pharmacy at Nambour Hospital. She gets a new workmate, and she passes the name on to the Union. Is that a problem? If so, why?

WOW, you're stupid! Shocked

And I say you are a giraffe, but I acknowledge that my saying so, does not in fact make you one. So, instead of running with that garbage......answer those questions. Put some meat on your scrawny bony cheer leader garbage.

Put up or shut up.

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Qld govt backs unions in public service Reply #20 - May 18^th, 2015 at 8:53pm Looks like your argument was obliterated once again armpit, if the libs have you on the books based on performance you're probably paying them
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Reply #21 - May 18^th, 2015 at 11:53pm

Aussie wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:11pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:07pm:

Aussie wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:

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That's not what they mean and you know it (or ought to). This directive will mean government departments will effectively become recruiting offices for Unions and will have to pass on the personal details of new employees to Union officials.

What directive? Who did it come from and to whom was it addressed. How does a 'Government Department' recruit? It is a nothing......an entity.....a nothing.....no heart...no voice......so how does it do this amazing thing? Mary...remember her...the bird in the Pharmacy at Nambour Hospital. She gets a new workmate, and she passes the name on to the Union. Is that a problem? If so, why?

WOW, you're stupid! Shocked

And I say you are a giraffe, but I acknowledge that my saying so, does not in fact make you one. So, instead of running with that garbage......answer those questions. Put some meat on your scrawny bony cheer leader garbage.

Put up or shut up.

this sounds like your sillyt gaffe when you question why the Bible use those 'silly names' like Simon an John and Andrew, thinking that somehow they should be Mohommed an Achmed. Feelnig a bit stupid over that one?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38572 Gender:	Re: Qld govt backs unions in public service Reply #22 - May 19^th, 2015 at 11:36am No. How about you answer the questions?
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Re: Qld govt backs unions in public service
Reply #23 - May 19^th, 2015 at 11:42am

Its time wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

When you give up the standard of living that the unions have given you we may take you serious .

most of the dramatic increase in the standard of living in Australia over the past 35 years have ironically paralleled the DECLINE of unions, the ending of compulsory membership. the ending of union dominance over companies. And what happened as a result? BEST STANDARD OF LIVING EVER.

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Reply #24 - May 19^th, 2015 at 11:48am

Aussie wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

Aussie wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:32pm:

Gee......who'd a thunk it was evah possible that a Labor Government would encourage union membership?

Bizarre isn't it!

Encourage, eh? Yeah - like, "Okay, we can't give Tom the promotion - it's got to go to Harry." "Why?" "Because Harry's a paid-up member of the PSU, while Tom refuses to join!"

So.....you really reckon Palaszczuk makes that sort of decision?

You might be surprised. A lot of promotions and appointments int he public service actually are approved by cabinet. It might normally be justa rubber stamp, but the capacity to deny promotion or appointment to non-union members is very real. I had one of my contract appointments go before SA cabinet.

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Reply #25 - May 19^th, 2015 at 11:50am

Dnarever wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:55pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

Its time wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

When you give up the standard of living that the unions have given you we may take you serious .

What a load of crap. The Unions gave me nothing. I went to University, studied hard, got my qualification, a job, worked hard and saved hard for my lifestyle. The Unions can go jump if they expect a thankyou from me - I got where I am today all by myself.

People were doing that when they had to work 60 hours a week and had 1 weeks leave, didn't get paid when sick and didn't get reasonable pay rates or increases at a time where the workplace was a dangerous place to work.

circa 1850

dope

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Reply #26 - May 19^th, 2015 at 12:38pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Aussie wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

Aussie wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:32pm:

Gee......who'd a thunk it was evah possible that a Labor Government would encourage union membership?

Bizarre isn't it!

Encourage, eh? Yeah - like, "Okay, we can't give Tom the promotion - it's got to go to Harry." "Why?" "Because Harry's a paid-up member of the PSU, while Tom refuses to join!"

So.....you really reckon Palaszczuk makes that sort of decision?

You might be surprised. A lot of promotions and appointments int he public service actually are approved by cabinet. It might normally be justa rubber stamp, but the capacity to deny promotion or appointment to non-union members is very real. I had one of my contract appointments go before SA cabinet.

I would not at all be surprised if Cabinet or a Minister has some input into very, very senior appointments/promotions (like Department Directors or judicial appointments), but they will have zero to do with nuts and bolts placements.

Employment in the public service is not in any way similar to an independent body (which I assume is yourself) entering into a contract with government to provide goods or services.

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Reply #27 - May 19^th, 2015 at 1:05pm

Aussie wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 12:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Aussie wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

Aussie wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:32pm:

Gee......who'd a thunk it was evah possible that a Labor Government would encourage union membership?

Bizarre isn't it!

Encourage, eh? Yeah - like, "Okay, we can't give Tom the promotion - it's got to go to Harry." "Why?" "Because Harry's a paid-up member of the PSU, while Tom refuses to join!"

So.....you really reckon Palaszczuk makes that sort of decision?

You might be surprised. A lot of promotions and appointments int he public service actually are approved by cabinet. It might normally be justa rubber stamp, but the capacity to deny promotion or appointment to non-union members is very real. I had one of my contract appointments go before SA cabinet.

I would not at all be surprised if Cabinet or a Minister has some input into very, very senior appointments/promotions (like Department Directors or judicial appointments), but they will have zero to do with nuts and bolts placements.

Employment in the public service is not in any way similar to an independent body (which I assume is yourself) entering into a contract with government to provide goods or services.

whilst I consider it highly unlikely that the QLD premier would do this, I was articulating that the possibily exists. However, in Victoria I would not at all be surprised if they made union membership a prerequisite to promotion or even employment. Andrews is so pro-union is is concerning.

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Reply #28 - May 19^th, 2015 at 1:12pm

Unions...lol.

those who risk nothing, do nothing and produce nothing.
white-anting those who risk everything, do everything and produce everything.

Anyone who supports a rise in union activity is akin to someone who thinks that the best outcome for a divorcing couple is an achromonious and suspicious relationship with the relative lawyers dictating terms.

Employers and employees need to trust, honour respect , and obey each other...just like the marriage vows....this leads to great teamwork and a situation of peace, joy , harmony and prosperity.

keep the white ants as far away from your workplace and let the relative parties (employer and employee) enjoy their sacred vows.

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Reply #29 - May 19^th, 2015 at 7:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 11:50am:

Dnarever wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:55pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:42pm:

Its time wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

When you give up the standard of living that the unions have given you we may take you serious .

What a load of crap. The Unions gave me nothing. I went to University, studied hard, got my qualification, a job, worked hard and saved hard for my lifestyle. The Unions can go jump if they expect a thankyou from me - I got where I am today all by myself.

People were doing that when they had to work 60 hours a week and had 1 weeks leave, didn't get paid when sick and didn't get reasonable pay rates or increases at a time where the workplace was a dangerous place to work.

circa 1850

dope

8 Hours ACT. NSW In 1916 work hours were reduced to 48 hours per week in some industries.

1941 Metal Trades award results in one week of annual leave becoming standard.

1973 Four weeks annual leave for public servant union members granted by the
Federal Labor government.

1900

Truck Act 1900 required the payment of wages in money, and prohibited employers from influencing how employees spent wages.

1907

Basic wage set for male employees only.

1916

Eight Hours Act 1916 created a standard 48 hour working week

1944

Annual Holidays Act 1944 introduced a standard entitlement to 2 weeks holiday leave

1955

Long Service Leave Act 1955 introduced a standard entitlement to 13 weeks long service leave after 20 years of service.

1982

Employment Protection Act 1982 created minimum redundancy entitlements for NSW workers under awards.

1983

Occupational Health and Safety Act 1983. New occupational health and safety (OH&S)

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