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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42251	So, does Islam need a Martin Luther? May 18^th, 2015 at 7:34pm So, does Islam need a Martin Luther? Mehdi Hasan, suggests not.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: So, does Islam need a Martin Luther? Reply #1 - May 18^th, 2015 at 8:22pm Brian Ross wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:34pm: So, does Islam need a Martin Luther? Mehdi Hasan, suggests not. Does Islam need to change?? Yes.
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Re: So, does Islam need a Martin Luther?
Reply #2 - May 18^th, 2015 at 8:27pm

I think you will notice that most of these calls for reformation are made in the West which tends to take the edge off any serious endeavour.

I don’t believe Islam can be reformed anyway. It is not a single entity; it is a bunch of tribes who can’t agree on anything, much less the meaning of Islam.

You have got the schism between those who believe Mohammed’s father-in-law was the big guy and those who think it should be it should be Moh’s cousin. And for this stupidity they have been murdering each other for hundreds of years.

And then you have this prick in Afghanistan who says he is descended from Mohammed.

Way out in the Philippines, in Melbourne and in Texas you have got people supporting this tribalism. No one is going to reform a bunch of superstitious, salivating goat f*-kers.

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Re: So, does Islam need a Martin Luther?
Reply #3 - May 18^th, 2015 at 8:28pm

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

So, does Islam need a Martin Luther? Mehdi Hasan, suggests not.

Does Islam need to change??

Yes.

Islam is ever changing, Soren. Each Muslim makes their own views on the matter known to themselves and their God, Allah.

The question is does Islam need a Martin Luther? Would you care to answer the question instead of avoiding it? Roll Eyes

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Re: So, does Islam need a Martin Luther?
Reply #4 - May 18^th, 2015 at 8:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:28pm:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

So, does Islam need a Martin Luther? Mehdi Hasan, suggests not.

Does Islam need to change??

Yes.

Islam is ever changing, Soren. Each Muslim makes their own views on the matter known to themselves and their God, Allah.

The question is does Islam need a Martin Luther? Would you care to answer the question instead of avoiding it? Roll Eyes

Yes.

They need to convert to Lutheranism or be banned. Freeeedom, innit.

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Re: So, does Islam need a Martin Luther?
Reply #5 - May 18^th, 2015 at 8:39pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:28pm:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

So, does Islam need a Martin Luther? Mehdi Hasan, suggests not.

Does Islam need to change??

Yes.

Islam is ever changing, Soren. Each Muslim makes their own views on the matter known to themselves and their God, Allah.
The question is does Islam need a Martin Luther? Would you care to answer the question instead of avoiding it? Roll Eyes

Oh, give us a break! Muslims at least as easily led as any other group who believe theirs is the only interpretation of the universe.

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Re: So, does Islam need a Martin Luther?
Reply #6 - May 18^th, 2015 at 8:42pm

issuevoter wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

I think you will notice that most of these calls for reformation are made in the West which tends to take the edge off any serious endeavour.

I don’t believe Islam can be reformed anyway. It is not a single entity; it is a bunch of tribes who can’t agree on anything, much less the meaning of Islam.

You have got the schism between those who believe Mohammed’s father-in-law was the big guy and those who think it should be it should be Moh’s cousin. And for this stupidity they have been murdering each other for hundreds of years.

And then you have this prick in Afghanistan who says he is descended from Mohammed.

Way out in the Philippines, in Melbourne and in Texas you have got people supporting this tribalism. No one is going to reform a bunch of superstitious, salivating goat f*-kers.

So, this is how you perceive your fellow Australians who happen to be Muslims? As "superstitious, salivating goat f*-kers"? Nice.

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Re: So, does Islam need a Martin Luther?
Reply #7 - May 18^th, 2015 at 8:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:28pm:

Islam is ever changing, Soren. Each Muslim makes their own views on the matter known to themselves and their God, Allah.

Oh dear, only a few moments ago you were stating the "real" meaning of jihad. No room for each muslim to make their own views on the matter there then? Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42251	Re: So, does Islam need a Martin Luther? Reply #8 - May 18^th, 2015 at 8:44pm issuevoter wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:39pm: Oh, give us a break! Muslims at least as easily led as any other group who believe theirs is the only interpretation of the universe. You mean like Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans, etc.?
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Reply #9 - May 18^th, 2015 at 9:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:28pm:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

So, does Islam need a Martin Luther? Mehdi Hasan, suggests not.

Does Islam need to change??

Yes.

Islam is ever changing, Soren.

How has it changed?

Islam is ever unchanging.

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Re: So, does Islam need a Martin Luther?
Reply #10 - May 18^th, 2015 at 11:15pm

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 9:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:28pm:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

So, does Islam need a Martin Luther? Mehdi Hasan, suggests not.

Does Islam need to change??

Yes.

Islam is ever changing, Soren.

How has it changed?

Islam is ever unchanging.

Using your views, Soren, Christianity hasn't changed either... Roll Eyes

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Re: So, does Islam need a Martin Luther?
Reply #12 - May 19^th, 2015 at 1:45pm

|dev|null wrote on May 19^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

Does Islam need a Martin Luther? I think it's already had it's Luther, many times over. Wasn't Osama bin Laden one? Grin

That was Lex Luther, bravely defeated by Uncle and his super powers.

A Martin Luther would be haram - the old boy and his cohorts simply won't allow it.

Always, absolutely, never ever, remember. Islam is the enemy. Islam has always been the enemy. Islam WILL always be the enemy, it must.

There simply aren't enough enemies to go around.

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Re: So, does Islam need a Martin Luther?
Reply #13 - May 19^th, 2015 at 4:41pm

Exactly how would muslims reform islam and remove the commands from allah, the teachings of muhammad, the verses in the qur'an and hadi'th which are the root cause of muslims committing unspeakably inhumane human rights atrocities against their fellow man?

muslims are locked into the cycle of islamic depravity by:

(a). Their sacred tenets which exhort islamic decadence as a consecrated path for muslims.

(b). This supposedly divine dogma is declared to be infallible, perfect, never to be changed.

(c). muslims have embraced islamic degeneracy for the last 1400 years, without any sign of a letup, who will get them to change now?

(d). Their apologists fight tooth and nail to stop reform also, as they will never blame muslims and islam for their own problems. Instead they embark on a never ending mode of excuses, lies, false analogies etc.

Reform means that allah, muhammad and the qur'an were wrong, which in turn means the end of islam.

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Re: So, does Islam need a Martin Luther?
Reply #14 - May 19^th, 2015 at 6:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 11:15pm:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 9:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:28pm:

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 18^th, 2015 at 7:34pm:

So, does Islam need a Martin Luther? Mehdi Hasan, suggests not.