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Re: The conversation about revoking Australian citizen
Reply #60 - Jun 17^th, 2015 at 9:36pm

Soren wrote on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 8:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 5:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 15^th, 2015 at 7:58pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 15^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

The oath of allegiance requires that those who receive citizenship by conferral uphold the laws of Australia. If you break your oath by breaking relevant laws, your citizenship should be revoked. Even if you have only Australian citizenship, your rights can and should be curtailed even though you are not rendered stateless.

Dare I suggest that you could be deported as you appear to have, prime facie broken Section 18c of the Commonwealth Racial Discrimination Act, Soren? Roll Eyes

How so, Brain?

You have potentially offended Muslims, Soren... Roll Eyes

Not a terribly difficult thing to do these days... You draw a cartoon and they are off, offended. Muslim offence taking is a tremendous growth areas.

And with what have I offended them?? Not endorsing their religious and political views?

It is not your "not enorsing their religious and political views", Soren but rather your open willingness to attack and condemn at every opportunity... Roll Eyes

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Re: The conversation about revoking Australian citizen
Reply #61 - Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 8:36pm

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It is not your "not endorsing their religious and political views", Soren but rather your open willingness to attack and condemn at every opportunity... Roll Eyes

What?? Do we HAVE TO like some aspects of Islam? Which ones? What about communism? Fascism? Scientology? Voodoo? Any other ideology or religion?
Why can't one condemn Islam completely? After all, Islam is ONLY A SET OF IDEAS, Brain. That some people hold them very dearly is neither here nor there. Still only a set of ideas. No need to endorse or accept any of it, it is perfectly OK to reject it completely.

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Re: The conversation about revoking Australian citizen
Reply #62 - Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 8:44pm

Soren wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 8:36pm:

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It is not your "not endorsing their religious and political views", Soren but rather your open willingness to attack and condemn at every opportunity... Roll Eyes

What?? Do we HAVE TO like some aspects of Islam? Which ones? What about communism? Fascism? Scientology? Voodoo? Any other ideology or religion?
Why can't one condemn Islam completely? After all, Islam is ONLY A SET OF IDEAS, Brain. That some people hold them very dearly is neither here nor there. Still only a set of ideas. No need to endorse or accept any of it, it is perfectly OK to reject it completely.

Make your condemnation, Soren and move on. We'll all understand. The problem is you keep repeating your condemnation, you keep repeating your criticisms. We've heard it all before from your keyboard, numerous times. When are you going to directly tackle this massive problem that you perceive? When are you going to Mecca to preach in the Grand Mosque? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

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Re: The conversation about revoking Australian citizen
Reply #63 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 8:50pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 8:36pm:

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It is not your "not endorsing their religious and political views", Soren but rather your open willingness to attack and condemn at every opportunity... Roll Eyes

What?? Do we HAVE TO like some aspects of Islam? Which ones? What about communism? Fascism? Scientology? Voodoo? Any other ideology or religion?
Why can't one condemn Islam completely? After all, Islam is ONLY A SET OF IDEAS, Brain. That some people hold them very dearly is neither here nor there. Still only a set of ideas. No need to endorse or accept any of it, it is perfectly OK to reject it completely.

Make your condemnation, Soren and move on. We'll all understand. The problem is you keep repeating your condemnation, you keep repeating your criticisms. We've heard it all before from your keyboard, numerous times. When are you going to directly tackle this massive problem that you perceive? When are you going to Mecca to preach in the Grand Mosque? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

When Muslims shut up, I will too.

But it is stupid - yes, stupid - of you to expect ME to stop bagging Islam and not, at the same time, insisting on Muslims also stopping to bang on about the caliphate and infidels and all the rest.

I can't believe you are this thick and tendentious. You do not seem to perceive anything remotely reasonable or rational. SO when Muslim and their excusers and supporters stop agitating for Islam, I will stop agitating against Islam. Fair enough?

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Re: The conversation about revoking Australian citizen
Reply #64 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:26am

Soren wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 8:36pm:

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It is not your "not endorsing their religious and political views", Soren but rather your open willingness to attack and condemn at every opportunity... Roll Eyes

What?? Do we HAVE TO like some aspects of Islam? Which ones? What about communism? Fascism? Scientology? Voodoo? Any other ideology or religion?
Why can't one condemn Islam completely? After all, Islam is ONLY A SET OF IDEAS, Brain. That some people hold them very dearly is neither here nor there. Still only a set of ideas. No need to endorse or accept any of it, it is perfectly OK to reject it completely.

Make your condemnation, Soren and move on. We'll all understand. The problem is you keep repeating your condemnation, you keep repeating your criticisms. We've heard it all before from your keyboard, numerous times. When are you going to directly tackle this massive problem that you perceive? When are you going to Mecca to preach in the Grand Mosque? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

When Muslims shut up, I will too.

But it is stupid - yes, stupid - of you to expect ME to stop bagging Islam and not, at the same time, insisting on Muslims also stopping to bang on about the caliphate and infidels and all the rest.

I can't believe you are this thick and tendentious. You do not seem to perceive anything remotely reasonable or rational. SO when Muslim and their excusers and supporters stop agitating for Islam, I will stop agitating against Islam. Fair enough?

Oh, by all means attack the Islamists as much as you like, Soren! I'm talking about your continued and continual attacks on ordinary, mainstream Muslims and Islamic beliefs. All you need to do is make a differentiation between the two groups and the differences in their beliefs and I'll ignore you, Soren. Roll Eyes

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Re: The conversation about revoking Australian citizen
Reply #65 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:48am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:26am:

Oh, by all means attack the Islamists as much as you like, Soren!

I'm talking about your continued and continual attacks

on ordinary

, mainstream Muslims and

Islamic beliefs

.

All you need to do is make a differentiation between the two groups and the differences in their beliefs and I'll ignore you, Soren. Roll Eyes

brian,

Which - 'ordinary' ISLAMIC beliefs - are you referring to ?

We all know about the "ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith." claims.

But which - authentically ISLAMIC - 'ordinary' ISLAMIC beliefs are you referring to ?

And what are the authentically ISLAMIC sources, for these 'ordinary' ISLAMIC beliefs which you are referring to ?

e.g.
Is ISLAM tolerant of democracy ?

Does ordinary, mainstream ISLAM, allow a democratic form of government [i.e. a form of government which takes to itself, the authority to formulate laws for a society of people] ?

Does ordinary, mainstream ISLAM, allow moslems to peacefully co-exist with [such] a democratic form of government ?

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"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...
...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.
"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone," Mr Hanif [said]"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...

brian,

Why does this moslem [above, Mr Hanif], believe that 'democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims'
???

Is Mr Hanif mistaken ?

Is Mr Hanif misrepresenting the lawful dictates of ISLAM, concerning 'ordinary' ISLAMIC beliefs
relating to democracy ?

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QUESTION;
How can Australians ever have a peaceful relationship with 'Aussie' moslems, when the moslem community in Australia, hides a malevolent intent towards all Australians who are not moslems ?

brian,

'ordinary' ISLAMIC beliefs.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1424590530/17#17
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The heart of ISLAM is the Koran

[and heart of the Koran, is the ideas and ideals it contains].

SO WHAT DOES THE KORAN SAY ABOUT MOSLEMS LIVING IN PEACE WITH DISBELIEVERS ? ;

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brian,

'ordinary' ISLAMIC beliefs.

Why do moslems, today, still believe that murdering those who reject ISLAM, is permissible and a lawful act, for a moslem ???

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

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Re: The conversation about revoking Australian citizen
Reply #66 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:57am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:26am:

Oh, by all means attack the Islamists as much as you like, Soren! I'm talking about your continued and continual attacks on ordinary, mainstream Muslims and Islamic beliefs. All you need to do is make a differentiation between the two groups and the differences in their beliefs and I'll ignore you, Soren. Roll Eyes

You are talking tosh again, Brain.

I don't criticise people, I criticise a religious ideology. If you believe in that ideology then by all means feel criticised.
If you don't believe in it then you would obviously not feel criticised.

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Re: The conversation about revoking Australian citizen
Reply #67 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:01am

Soren wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:57am:

You are talking tosh again, Brain.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:26am:

attacks on ordinary, mainstream Muslims and Islamic beliefs. All you need to do is make a differentiation between the two groups

Are you seeking to distinguish "ordinary mainstream Muslims" from "Islamic beliefs"? Sounds like tosh to me, as was nicely debunked by Yadda:

Yadda wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:48am:

"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

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See Profile For Update wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:58pm:

Why the bugger did I get stuck on a planet chalked full of imbeciles?

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Re: The conversation about revoking Australian citizen
Reply #69 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 3:07pm

MumboJumbo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:01am:

Soren wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:57am:

You are talking tosh again, Brain.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:26am:

attacks on ordinary, mainstream Muslims and Islamic beliefs. All you need to do is make a differentiation between the two groups

Are you seeking to distinguish "ordinary mainstream Muslims" from "Islamic beliefs"?

No, I am not. Roll Eyes

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Sounds like tosh to me, as was nicely debunked by Yadda:

Yadda wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:48am:

"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

You actually read what Yadda says? I am amazed... Roll Eyes

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