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Reply #45 - Jun 16^th, 2015 at 3:19pm

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Instances include paying members of syndicates for information about the operations of the syndicate, or to dissuade them from launching boats.

Herein lies the obvious difference:

paying people who are involved in criminal activity in order to garner information that will help in eventual arrest and shutting down syndicate activity - is standard practice in the intelligence world.

There is a *WORLD* of difference between this and paying criminals - not as part of an investigation to shut down syndicate activities - but rather to keep the problem swept under the carpet, and the criminals safe from prosecution.

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Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Reply #46 - Jun 16^th, 2015 at 4:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 3:19pm:

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Instances include paying members of syndicates for information about the operations of the syndicate, or to dissuade them from launching boats.

Herein lies the obvious difference:

paying people who are involved in criminal activity in order to garner information that will help in eventual arrest and shutting down syndicate activity - is standard practice in the intelligence world.

There is a *WORLD* of difference between this and paying criminals - not as part of an investigation to shut down syndicate activities - but rather to keep the problem swept under the carpet, and the criminals safe from prosecution.

And put the lives of the "cargo" at risk. The alleged boat ran aground on a reef, before it was rescued by Indonesians.

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Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Reply #47 - Jun 16^th, 2015 at 6:52pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

As usual the leftists are showing what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

If labor/greens do something it's ok, if Liberals do the exact same thing the lefties are butthurt with outrage.

This is the POINT - me ole mucka !
They DIDN'T do "the exact same thing"
Not within coo-ee of it

Very_Vinnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

For time immemorial, law enforcement agencies the world over (including ASIO, the ADF and state police forces) have paid insiders, snouts and grasses for information on suspected criminal activity - to obtain a conviction

This is VASTLY different than catching a criminal in the middle of committing a crime - and rather than placing them under arrest and charging them, instead, giving them an EXTRORDINARILY LARGE amount of cash (to a poor Indonesian fisherman) if they stop that crime they're committing - and send them on their way

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Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Reply #48 - Jun 16^th, 2015 at 7:40pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

As usual the leftists are showing what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

If labor/greens do something it's ok, if Liberals do the exact same thing the lefties are butthurt with outrage.

What a beitch it must be to be a gnats supporter.

The greens got 2% of the vote in Tamworth, in the country only 1 in 50 think the greens are any good.

What a bitch it must be to be a green loser in the country Cheesy

I have never voted Nats, I like Senator McKenzie she has a brain unlike sarah hanson dumb who thinks sea patrol is real...lmao

It's cherry picking season.

Here's mine :

gnats ~ minus 19.6% in primary vote and minus 27.8% in TTP

www.abc.net.au/news/nsw-election-2015/guide/ball/

First preference in Ballina-
Nats -17,392 , 36.6%
Greens-12,824, 27%
The greens only got Ballina through labor preferences,they were not the first preference.

Ballina also includes Nimbin with all those druggies,Greens senator David Shoebridge want to ban drug sniffer dogs.
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The Police use of sniffer dogs disproportionately affects queer communities...
davidshoebridge.org.au/tag/sniffer-dogs

Liar. Nimbin is in the Lismore electorate where the father of a bikie/convicted drug dealer just scraped in after two weeks of counting after nearly losing a seat with a 22% margin to the Greens:-/

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Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Reply #49 - Jun 16^th, 2015 at 7:48pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

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labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

You don't see a difference between paying an individual member for information aimed at shutting down the criminal activity and paying people smugglers to smuggle people ?

There has never been any such thing as a Green / Labor coalition.

we know you are embarresed by it, but there was. and what a disaster.

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Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Reply #50 - Jun 16^th, 2015 at 7:51pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:35am:

cods wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

Can you point out where Labor and the Greens formed a coalition government.

All I can see is an agreement where Greens guaranteed supply to a minority ---> 'Labor' <--- government.

Repeat, the unsubstantiated claim is ' Labor Greens Coalition', as in the title.

well its like this greeny if she hadnt agreed to that signing.. your lot wouldnt have seen her elected...

we know you cannot possibly understand that that is in fact two parties in bed together.....but thats how everyone else sees it..... even though brownie must have known about the troubles in the govt corridors long before the back stabbing to get her in......

proves how unfussy he was.. it was all about the POWER

Your opinions are not relevant to the issue being disgusts and have been answered a number of times.

The claim by the hard right is Labor and Greens were a coalition government. They were not. Labor were in government.

This continual lying is because the hard right want to fool voters into believing there isn't a third option ~ a Greens Government option where the terrible twins are in opposition together.

You really shouldn't have quit school in Year 4. It's "discussed" not "disgusts", you idiot! Roll Eyes

he left in year 3, not 4. and he failed year 3.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Reply #51 - Jun 16^th, 2015 at 7:53pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:46pm:

Back on the matter of payments by Labor......I've read the very vague allegations but it seems to me that at its highest, all that is suggested is that

intelligence was paid for

on land........wads of notes were not handed out on the high seas.

a fairly artificial distinction at best, especially when under Labor there were no turnbacks.

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Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Reply #52 - Jun 16^th, 2015 at 7:54pm

Very_Vinnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 6:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

As usual the leftists are showing what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

If labor/greens do something it's ok, if Liberals do the exact same thing the lefties are butthurt with outrage.

This is the POINT - me ole mucka !
They DIDN'T do "the exact same thing"
Not within coo-ee of it

Very_Vinnie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:15pm:

For time immemorial, law enforcement agencies the world over (including ASIO, the ADF and state police forces) have paid insiders, snouts and grasses for information on suspected criminal activity - to obtain a conviction

This is VASTLY different than catching a criminal in the middle of committing a crime - and rather than placing them under arrest and charging them, instead, giving them an EXTRORDINARILY LARGE amount of cash (to a poor Indonesian fisherman) if they stop that crime they're committing - and send them on their way

you really are quite the hypocrite, arent you!

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Reply #53 - Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:02pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

As usual the leftists are showing what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

If labor/greens do something it's ok, if Liberals do the exact same thing the lefties are butthurt with outrage.

What a beitch it must be to be a gnats supporter.

The greens got 2% of the vote in Tamworth, in the country only 1 in 50 think the greens are any good.

What a bitch it must be to be a green loser in the country Cheesy

I have never voted Nats, I like Senator McKenzie she has a brain unlike sarah hanson dumb who thinks sea patrol is real...lmao

It's cherry picking season.

Here's mine :

gnats ~ minus 19.6% in primary vote and minus 27.8% in TTP

www.abc.net.au/news/nsw-election-2015/guide/ball/

First preference in Ballina-
Nats -17,392 , 36.6%
Greens-12,824, 27%
The greens only got Ballina through labor preferences,they were not the first preference.

Ballina also includes Nimbin with all those druggies,Greens senator David Shoebridge want to ban drug sniffer dogs.
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The Police use of sniffer dogs disproportionately affects queer communities...
davidshoebridge.org.au/tag/sniffer-dogs

Thanks for the link, Baron. I had no idea how pointless sniffer dogs are.

All they detect on the street is a whiff of last night’s session or a joint or two.

BAN THEM.

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Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Reply #54 - Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

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labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

You don't see a difference between paying an individual member for information aimed at shutting down the criminal activity and paying people smugglers to smuggle people ?

There has never been any such thing as a Green / Labor coalition.

we know you are embarresed by it, but there was. and what a disaster.

What year is your spelling level, Longy?

I’m curious.

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Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Reply #55 - Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:29pm

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He said Indonesian police were investigating the issue.

"To see if money has been transferred to Indonesian crew members," Mr Juwana said.

He also made the explosive allegation that Australia had been paying Indonesian search and rescue teams for several years to collect asylum seekers from Australian waters.

He said the policy dated back to before Tony Abbott was elected Prime Minister.

"The money is provided for our search and rescue ships to come in and assist when Australian rescue has been called by asylum seekers in the middle of the sea," Mr Juwana explained.

"They'll come and then Indonesian search and rescue will be contacted and they will meet in the sea and they will - this is what I heard - asylum seekers will be taken from Australian ships and then forced to the sea and then rescued by the Indonesian search and rescue ships."

the Labor/Green coalition did what? Shocked

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Reply #57 - Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:38pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

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labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

You do realize it is Labor not Labour don't you???

Huh

how have I spelt it the last 100 times?

and its irrelevant anyways you blithering dickhead..

now go spellcheck that Mr Chief Constable Spelling Policeman.. Roll Eyes

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Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Reply #58 - Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:42pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 10:05am:

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labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

You don't see a difference between paying an individual member for information aimed at shutting down the criminal activity and paying people smugglers to smuggle people ?

There has never been any such thing as a Green / Labor coalition.

we know you are embarresed by it, but there was. and what a disaster.

I thought you were marginally above supporting that type of stupidity - I was wrong.

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Re: labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers
Reply #59 - Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:46pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:38pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2015 at 8:34pm:

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labour/ green coalition paid people smugglers

You do realize it is Labor not Labour don't you???

Huh

how have I spelt it the last 100 times?

and its irrelevant anyways you blithering dickhead..

now go spellcheck that Mr Chief Constable Spelling Policeman.. Roll Eyes

it's

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