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Reply #15 - Jun 17^th, 2015 at 3:03pm

moses wrote on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 2:46pm:

The apologists will come out of the wood work now, desperately trying to equate muslims slaughtering human beings while invoking the name of their satanic allah, (human sacrifice).

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Christians who celebrate life and faith as the true path. Their faith decrees that Christ rose from the grave, they celebrate with a token remembrance of the living Saviour, (a wafer and a sip of wine).

So, you deny that the Wafer and the Wine are Transmogrified into the Body and Blood of Christ by the Priest/Pastor/Minister, Moses? Roll Eyes

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Reply #16 - Jun 17^th, 2015 at 3:39pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 3:03pm:

So, you deny that the Wafer and the Wine are Transmogrified into the Body and Blood of Christ by the Priest/Pastor/Minister, Moses? Roll Eyes

Completely deny it.

Transmogrify means shape shifting, changing into a different, grotesque shape or appearance. The bread and the wine do no such thing. Your insistence on cannibalism and human sacrifice in Christianity is bizarre.

If the bread and wine did transmogrify, you may talk about cannibalism but the don't. And Christ is not killed or sacrificed again and again. You are an idiot for suggesting it and you do it just to be once more a spineless squishy apologist for actual evil deed.

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Reply #17 - Jun 17^th, 2015 at 9:45pm

Transmogrification or transubstantiation are:
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the change whereby, according to the teaching of the Catholic Church, the bread and the wine used in the sacrament of the Eucharist become, not merely as by a sign or a figure, but also in actual reality the body and blood of Christ.[1][2] The Catholic Church teaches that the substance or reality of the bread is changed into that of the body of Christ and the substance of the wine into that of his blood,[3] while all that is accessible to the senses (the outward appearances - species[4][5][6] in Latin) remains unchanged.[7]:1413[8] What remains unaltered is also referred to as the "accidents" of the bread and wine,[9] but this term is not used in the official definition of the doctrine by the Council of Trent.[10] The manner in which the change occurs, the Catholic Church teaches, is a mystery: "The signs of bread and wine become, in a way surpassing understanding, the Body and Blood of Christ."[7]:1333

The Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodox Church, and Church of the East have sometimes used the term "transubstantiation" (metousiosis); however, terms such as "divine mystery", "trans-elementation" (μεταστοιχείωσις metastoicheiosis), "re-ordination" (μεταρρύθμισις metarrhythmisis), or simply "change" (μεταβολή) are more common among them, and they consider the Eucharist with its change from bread and wine to the body and blood of Christ a "Mystery". Eastern Catholic Churches in communion with the Holy See likewise prefer such terms and see them in accord with the teaching expressed by the term "transubstantiation", which likewise denotes an actual change, a "becoming", as opposed to the mere addition of a new symbolic significance expressed in "to be for us the body and blood of Christ".[11][12]

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Reply #18 - Jun 18^th, 2015 at 1:14pm

Brian Ross wrote: Quote:

So, you deny that the Wafer and the Wine are Transmogrified into the Body and Blood of Christ by the Priest/Pastor/Minister, Moses?

Most definitely. The bread and wine undergo no physical change whatsoever.

They have a spiritual connotation, they are used in remembrance of Christ (Luke 22:19 & 1 Corinthians 11:24)

Remembrance being the operative word in the sacrament

from the dictionary:

remembrance:

1/.The ability to recall past occurrences

2/.A recognition of meritorious service

So the bread and wine is used to recall the deeds of Christ or to recognize his meritorious service to mankind, (plus the fact that he is now the living Saviour).

I see you quote the catholic church as your example, I would remind you that the catholic church was able to justify the inquisition also, to themselves.

So the facts remain the same:

Christians ceremonially practicing and celebrating life and faith,by remembering Christ who they believe is God / Son / Holy Ghost, their living Redeemer.

Conversely

muslims on a daily basis around the globe ritually practice human sacrifice (slaughtering their fellow man while invoking the name of the demonic allah, in order to appease this satanic islamic entity)

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: islam and human sacrifice Reply #19 - Jun 18^th, 2015 at 6:15pm Brian Ross wrote on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 9:45pm: Transmogrification or transubstantiation are: ... not the same thing. Be gracious enough to accept it when it is pointed out to you, Brain.
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Reply #20 - Jun 18^th, 2015 at 10:17pm

... wrote on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 3:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 3:01pm:

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Brian Ross wrote on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:

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Brian Ross wrote on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

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Brian Ross wrote on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 2:14pm:

Christianity we should remember practices ritualised Human Sacrifice and Cannibalism at every service they hold, people... Roll Eyes

does it?

"This is the body of Christ, this is the blood of Christ..." Roll Eyes

Ahh. You mean Catholicism. Roll Eyes

I mean Christianity... Roll Eyes

Then in that case, you're just plain wrong.

Most of the major Christian sects practice the Sacrifice of Christ on their altar...

Oh so it's "most" now, and no mention of cannibalism anymore?

Keep sliding.

No sliding, just clarification. Cannibalism still occurs, in a ritual form. You are asked to partake of the body and blood of Christ. Roll Eyes

In Catholicism, yes.

That’s strange. Most Protestant churches practice Holy Communion too. I always did as a kid in an Anglican church.

Even the Salvos practice Communion. They use red cordial for blood.

We drank wine.

In vino veritas, no?

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Reply #21 - Jun 18^th, 2015 at 10:24pm

moses wrote on Jun 18^th, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote: Quote:

So, you deny that the Wafer and the Wine are Transmogrified into the Body and Blood of Christ by the Priest/Pastor/Minister, Moses?

Most definitely. The bread and wine undergo no physical change whatsoever.

Never claimed they did. I am merely making the point this is what many Christians believe, Moses, nothing more. Roll Eyes

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Reply #22 - Jun 22^nd, 2015 at 8:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 18^th, 2015 at 10:24pm:

moses wrote on Jun 18^th, 2015 at 1:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote: Quote:

So, you deny that the Wafer and the Wine are Transmogrified into the Body and Blood of Christ by the Priest/Pastor/Minister, Moses?

Most definitely. The bread and wine undergo no physical change whatsoever.

Never claimed they did.

You most certainly did. You talked about transmogrification of the bread and wine:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 17^th, 2015 at 3:03pm:

So, you deny that the Wafer and the Wine are Transmogrified into the Body and Blood of Christ by the Priest/Pastor/Minister, Moses? Roll Eyes

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: islam and human sacrifice Reply #23 - Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 8:23pm Human sacrifice? Pfft - don't be so dramatic. You make it sound like some cultic ritual - me, I just like break my fast on a few kufar kids. In fact I've got a couple of babies on the barby right now. Plenty to go round - everyone's welcome.
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Reply #24 - Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 8:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 8:23pm:

Human sacrifice?

Pfft - don't be so dramatic. You make it sound like some cultic ritual - me, I just like break my fast on a few kufar kids. In fact I've got a couple of babies on the barby right now. Plenty to go round - everyone's welcome.

Stop playing to their stereotypes, G. It isn't becoming of you...

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: islam and human sacrifice Reply #25 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:21pm WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT muslims slaughtering humans to appease the demonic allah
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41108	Re: islam and human sacrifice Reply #26 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 2:26pm WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT Catholics partaking of their transubstantiated saviour to appease their beliefs.
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Reply #27 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 3:04pm

Human sacrifice is the act of killing one or more human beings, usually as an offering to a deity, as part of a religious ritual.

muslims invoke the name of the satanic allah, then slaughter humans as an appeasement to this demonic deity.

Now the apologists are in a spin, citing people taking a sip of wine or cordial and a small wafer as their excuse for islamic 21st century human sacrifice.

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Reply #28 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 6:42pm

moses wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

Human sacrifice is the act of killing one or more human beings, usually as an offering to a deity, as part of a religious ritual.

muslims invoke the name of the satanic allah, then slaughter humans as an appeasement to this demonic deity.

Now the apologists are in a spin, citing people taking a sip of wine or cordial and a small wafer as their excuse for islamic 21st century human sacrifice.

Who's excused anything, Moses?

You seem to think my charges against Christianity for its ritualised cannibalism excuses the Islamists for what they have done. Au contraire! It happens in parallel. If you're going to make bullshit lies up about Muslims, why can't similar things be said about Christians? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: islam and human sacrifice Reply #29 - Jun 25^th, 2015 at 8:06pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2015 at 8:23pm: Human sacrifice? Pfft - don't be so dramatic. You make it sound like some cultic ritual - me, I just like break my fast on a few kufar kids. In fact I've got a couple of babies on the barby right now. Plenty to go round - everyone's welcome. Muslim hospitality for ya.
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